View Full Version : Luke Short Designs (LSD)
Chris
09-04-2012, 04:12 PM
Firewire is proud to announce a design partnership with Australian board designer Luke Short, the founder of Luke Short Designs (LSD).
With a design pedigree that includes shaping for Simon Anderson and Channel Islands before setting off on his own under the LSD label, Luke was a natural fit for Firewire. Under his own brand, Luke went on to work with many top pros, including Julian Wilson, and now brings a highly refined level of experience to the Firewire family.
Additionally, being an accomplished surfer in his own right, Luke enjoys the benefit of personally test riding his designs at a high performance level in addition to rider feedback.
“It feels great to be working with Firewire,” Luke said, “and I’m excited to work with new materials and construction methods to help create the best performing surfboards possible”.
Firewire CEO Mark Price added, “Luke and I began talking almost 3 years ago and we’re stoked that we’re now working together. Our goal has always been to build Firewire into the best surfboard brand that we possibly can, and to that end, working with a very select group of designers like Luke will enable us to offer premium designs to a broad cross section of surfers”.
The first Firewire/LSD model will hit retail towards the end of 2012 and will be Firewire and LSD branded, highlighting the relationship between the two board builders. Distribution will remain confined to Firewire’s existing, premium account base.
prjwebb
09-05-2012, 11:54 AM
Looking forward to seeing more on the LSD stuff. Any word on when we'll see some dims and templates etc? How many boards are coming off the bat? New shapes or his existing shapes?
Fazza
10-05-2012, 11:54 PM
LSD R & D Board for those interested heres a pic
http://instagram.com/p/QXh_14qQGM/
Looks really nice
buzzy
10-06-2012, 01:33 AM
Nice looking board.
Wandi
10-06-2012, 02:08 AM
The outline looks very similar to the Bourez
Probably very different in the hands as opposed to the photos
Looks good though
prjwebb
10-06-2012, 06:44 AM
I think it's going to be in the Sub Scorcher type of range. Not 100% on that but that's the vibe I get from it.
Check out the LSD Chubby Checka. It's not the same model but I reckon they are in the same ballpark.
Fazza
10-06-2012, 07:43 PM
It definitely looks like the outline of the Bourez.
Is it a new design or a slightly different looking LSD Modern Lover?
Wandi
10-08-2012, 03:20 AM
From today's instagrams the Chubby Chedda it is
Could be something in between the Chubby Checka , Sub Scorcher and the Bourez
Maybe a little square tail version of the Mini driver
The names sound a bit confusing if you weren't familiar with FireWire don't they
Fazza
10-08-2012, 04:32 AM
Yep just saw that http://instagram.com/p/Qf0WK-KQNx/
LSD Website http://www.lsdsurfboards.com/boards/entry/the_chubby_checka mentioned that they have been making it in a wide rounded square tail.
Chris
10-12-2012, 04:18 PM
yeah it is an update to the Chubby Checka. A wider tailed squash. Super sick shape. Lower entry/exit rockers with a slightly forward wide point and a nice continuous curve...
Wandi
10-12-2012, 09:16 PM
Does anyone think that this design is somewhat similar to the Dumspster Diver model from Al Merricks range
Just a question not a dig
Matt_s
10-13-2012, 03:25 AM
Liking the look of this one, what sort of waves would it go best in? How hp is it? Along same lines as the MD possibly?
prjwebb
10-13-2012, 03:34 AM
I'd guess that it's LS's take on the Dumpster Diver/Sub Scorcher style of board. I think the Mini Driver will handle bigger stuff better but the CC will be high performance in it's optimal size range.
That's purely my take from what I've seen of the board though so it's by no means fact.
kdropin
10-13-2012, 05:54 AM
yeah it is an update to the Chubby Checka. A wider tailed squash. Super sick shape. Lower entry/exit rockers with a slightly forward wide point and a nice continuous curve...
replacement for a dominator in ones quiver?
Fazza
11-05-2012, 03:05 AM
I believe it is a shorter fatter board with HP performance.
I have heard that it is a daily driver and will perform in 2-6ft surf.
Chris
11-08-2012, 03:38 PM
yeah it could be, though i ride a shorter dominator with more volume so, to me, the dominator is likely geared towards a smaller wave range.
Fazza
11-13-2012, 07:28 AM
5'11 Chubby Chedda on the Left and 6'1 Hellrazor on Right
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Nice single into a double through the tail with a good tail kick, low entry rocker
custom
11-13-2012, 08:30 AM
Hi Fazza nice board. Can you tell us width thickness and volume of your 5.11 LSD and how it look under your arm compare with 6.0 JK.
Thanks .
Fazza
11-13-2012, 05:23 PM
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Chubby on the Left and JK on the right
Chubby Chedda
5'11 x 19 1/2 x 2 1/2 30.8ltrs
JacKnife
6'0 x 19 3/4 x 2 2/8 29.8ltrs
The LSD feels really nice under your arm, doesn't feel or look fat, rails seemed pretty similar to the JK.
The LSD has more of a tail kick and the JK has slightly more nose rocker.
Won't be surfing it until Friday
buzzy
11-13-2012, 09:14 PM
I like the outline. Could it be a Dom replacement?
custom
11-15-2012, 08:21 AM
Thanks Fazza photos help a lot.My trusty favourite old futura is dead after 5 yrs so i must replace it. Chubby Chedda and JK must be good options for daily driver in 2-6ft surf to cover me between PN 5.8 and MB 6.0(thick).Wait for you review....
Erling
11-15-2012, 02:40 PM
It's official!
http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/surfboards.php?boardid=chubby_chedda
Fazza
11-15-2012, 06:25 PM
I went for a surf on it yesterday. It was a little side shore but reasonably clean early probably around head to just over head high on the sets with an incredibly low tide.
The board paddles into waves nicely, has plenty of speed from the take off. I love the tail kick and when you stand up you feel like you have great control of the board, feels really nice under foot.
Turns extremely well and really smooth/responsive, turns effortlessly in fact. Sometimes you get boards that feel better on either your forehand or backhand but for me this board felt like i have great control in either direction.
The wind became more onshore mid-morning and the board seemed to handle that quite fine.
Still early days and hoping to get some better waves tomorrow but so far i am really liking it. I really like the JacKnife so it will be interested to see which one i end up riding the most.
Rode it with Futures Blackstix V2AM1 Fins.
Wandi
11-16-2012, 04:04 AM
What do you think are the main differences of your Hellrazor and CC
The CC would have more kick in the tail wouldn't it
Your quiver is looking good though
Any signs of slowing down
Cheers
Matt_s
11-16-2012, 05:03 AM
Was settled on a 5'11 Razor for a HP stick but I just cant help but love the look of this board, especially in the photos with the tail pad on..... will be interested to see how it goes in better waves for you fazza, i know it probably wont be as HP as the razor but looking forward to finding out how it goes in hollow head high waves, feel like im constantly holding myself back from buying every board I like the look of, but with this one I may not be able to resist..... at 70 -72kg im thinking 5'9 or 5'10....
Chris
11-16-2012, 11:01 AM
Yeah guys so generally speaking, the Hellrazor is a bit more refined and carries a bit more curve. This makes the hellrazor a little more "precise" as it does have a touch more rocker. In my opinion they can be used in similar conditions but i would say the Hellrazor is a bit better in steeper surf, while the CC has the capacity to handle low end waves a bit better. You definitely would ride the CC shorter than your Hellrazor and it feels like it has more area in the nose and the wide point feels a little farther forward.
In a sense, the CC is what you would get if you blended the alternator and el fuego. Small to mid range versatility.
MeanGreen
11-16-2012, 08:21 PM
I am really glad you guys went with sizing every inch on the Chubby Cheddar. I like a lot of the boards but I always seem to fall inbetween on a lot of the sizes and end up passing on the boards I'd really like to get. But with this one it looks like you guys have all the bases covered. I really think you should offer all of your boards in 1 inch increments, there are definitely going to be a lot of people that fall inbetween and its better to cover all of the bases.
Wandi
11-16-2012, 09:01 PM
I am really glad you guys went with sizing every inch on the Chubby Cheddar. I like a lot of the boards but I always seem to fall inbetween on a lot of the sizes and end up passing on the boards I'd really like to get. But with this one it looks like you guys have all the bases covered. I really think you should offer all of your boards in 1 inch increments, there are definitely going to be a lot of people that fall inbetween and its better to cover all of the bases.
What size you looking at getting
custom
11-16-2012, 11:24 PM
I am really glad you guys went with sizing every inch on the Chubby Cheddar. I like a lot of the boards but I always seem to fall inbetween on a lot of the sizes and end up passing on the boards I'd really like to get. But with this one it looks like you guys have all the bases covered. I really think you should offer all of your boards in 1 inch increments, there are definitely going to be a lot of people that fall inbetween and its better to cover all of the bases.
Agree in many boards volume difference is over 10% between 2 sizes and it is difficult to choose the right one.
custom
11-16-2012, 11:24 PM
I am really glad you guys went with sizing every inch on the Chubby Cheddar. I like a lot of the boards but I always seem to fall inbetween on a lot of the sizes and end up passing on the boards I'd really like to get. But with this one it looks like you guys have all the bases covered. I really think you should offer all of your boards in 1 inch increments, there are definitely going to be a lot of people that fall inbetween and its better to cover all of the bases.
Agree in many boards volume difference is over 10% between 2 sizes and it is difficult to choose the right one.
spjones123
11-17-2012, 06:17 AM
Hey Chris, I'm sure they're right but could you do a sanity check on the volumes. I know the relationships aren't linear to just length but there's a big jump from the 5'10 to 5'11- kind of right where I wish there wasn't. Why do you hate people who ride 29.5 volume hybrids? :). Thanks again and let's get details up on the board pipeline huh?? You don't want me wasting Xmas money on Apple products and lift tickets do you?
5'8 to 5'9- +.7L
5'9 to 5'10- +1.2L
5'10 to 5'11- +2.2L
5'11 to 6'0- +.7L
Matt_s
11-18-2012, 11:29 PM
Chris could you comment on how the concaves compare vs the hellfire and how this would affect the overall ride ride compared? Thanks
MeanGreen
11-19-2012, 11:36 AM
What size you looking at getting
I'm looking at the 5'10" the volume is pretty much spot on for me at 180 lbs.
seabass
11-20-2012, 12:06 AM
When will it be available in Australia
Hey Seabass I think they are already available as the photos that are on page 2 from Fazza at WA prove it must be out. I was going to order one tomorrow to replace my 6'6" Hellfire which is just a fraction under volumed for my liking and the CC looks like it will be just right at 40.9L for the 6'6".
Fazza
11-20-2012, 07:07 AM
I think they will be available officially in Oz late Next month or early January.
Surfed the CC again on the weekend and the surf was a lot bigger than I thought it was going to be. I tried it with the AM1 Blackstix again which were great on the head high and just over wave size but anything bigger than that I did not feel comfortable, probably as it was only the 2nd surf and still getting the feel of it . I went in and change the fins over for Futures TP1 which are a large fin. It felt a lot better but i did find it a little bit stiff compared to what the AM1's feel like on smaller waves and would have liked to have tried some fins in between the 2 but did not have them with me....next time.
The board definitely handles the lower end of the wave size better than then Hellrazor and will handle similar bigger waves as long as the take off is not a sucky one as the board does have a low entry rocker.
Looking like some aves around this week and hopefully will get a few more surfs on it......pretty stoked with it so far.
Fazza
11-20-2012, 07:08 AM
I think they will be available officially in Oz late Next month or early January.
Surfed the CC again on the weekend and the surf was a lot bigger than I thought it was going to be. I tried it with the AM1 Blackstix again which were great on the head high and just over wave size but anything bigger than that I did not feel comfortable, probably as it was only the 2nd surf and still getting the feel of it . I went in and change the fins over for Futures TP1 which are a large fin. It felt a lot better but i did find it a little bit stiff compared to what the AM1's feel like on smaller waves and would have liked to have tried some fins in between the 2 but did not have them with me....next time.
The board definitely handles the lower end of the wave size better than then Hellrazor and will handle similar bigger waves as long as the take off is not a sucky one as the board does have a low entry rocker.
Looking like some aves around this week and hopefully will get a few more surfs on it......pretty stoked with it so far.
Interesting feedback about bigger size, I am looking to replace my Spitfire 6'4" and Hellfire 6'6" with one board tossing up between CC or Tomo 6'2" would like a Jacknife however my volume is in a 6'8" and don't want anything over 6'6" for a board to handle from 3-7ft.
thanasio
11-22-2012, 01:06 AM
I am really glad you guys went with sizing every inch on the Chubby Cheddar. I like a lot of the boards but I always seem to fall inbetween on a lot of the sizes and end up passing on the boards I'd really like to get. But with this one it looks like you guys have all the bases covered. I really think you should offer all of your boards in 1 inch increments, there are definitely going to be a lot of people that fall inbetween and its better to cover all of the bases.
Just wanted to say, i fall in between sizes most of the times too.....!!!
Sizing every inch is definitely a good idea...!!
Erling
11-22-2012, 07:59 AM
Is it just me or is the foil image of the Chubby Chedda looking a bit strange? Seems like all of the other boards are rotated so that the top deck is about horizontal, but on the CC the board is tilted a lot forward, making it look like it's got a lot of tail-rocker an very little nose-rocker:
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What size CC would replace a 5'8 Spit or a 5'11 El Fuego?
Or to put it in another way, what size would fit in between the 5'4 Sweet Potato and a 6'2 Alternator, for a intermediate@80kg (+5mm fullsuit) ?
I would get a 5'11 CC, I am looking at replacing both my 6'6" Hellfire and 6'4" Spitfire with a 6'6" CC, volume of 6'6" CC sits between both current boards. Hopefully it's a good decision as my other decison is to get a 6'2' Vanguard.
seabass
11-22-2012, 10:16 PM
What's a "vanguard" and the "brow" or the next spit/dom board coming out? Need a new replacement grovel board.
Het seabas the Vanguard is under HP boards check it out it very interesting, I have heard quite good reviews from a mate of mine from Lennox Head. Don't know what a brow is but if you are looking for a grovel bord get Baked Potato mine rips and goes in anything from 6 inches to 4 ft I upgraded from a Sweet Potato which too was a great bord.
aurfalien
11-23-2012, 04:38 PM
Ditto x order of magnitude on what nn66 said, the BP is great. I have done over head with it, no probs, lotta fun.
Will be trying the Deviant fin on that bad boyeee my next go around. The 5 fin boxes really allows for fun experimentation.
What's a "vanguard" and the "brow" or the next spit/dom board coming out? Need a new replacement grovel board.
http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/surfboards_custom.php?boardid=vanguard
http://youtu.be/FB9SgPy9Fbc
Chris
11-24-2012, 02:23 PM
Hey Seabass,
The vanguard is a modern shape, as you have seen, put together by Daniel Thomson of Tomo surfboards. it has a unique approach to HP surfboard design.
The Unibrow is most easily described as a stretched out Dominator with a higher performance foil, a nice mellow but ripping double concave and a more shortboard like nose. Rips.
The Chubby Chedda is a Luke Short Design that is kind of a small wave short board with a forward wide point. Another small wave ripper, a little more of a conventional shortboard ride.
I think they all have comparable versatility and should be considered in thigh to overhead surf....
Cheers
kdropin
11-24-2012, 05:32 PM
i'd like to see a pic of the uni
Chris do you think a 6'6" CC would handle the same upper end wave size as a HF 6'6" as I have had my 6'6" HF is pretty much close to double overhead 12ft faces, only problem is the slight lack of volume paddling in and that's why I like the slightly extra volume of the CC 6'6" and hope it will handle larger waves, I have a problem going any bigger than a 6'6" on a step up board. Also interested to see and find out more about the Unibrow.
seabass
11-25-2012, 04:29 PM
Sorry about the vanguard question i had seen in for some reason didn't recognise the name....to many ales..... thanks for the feed back and vid. yeah a picture of the Unibrow would be great...
aurfalien
11-25-2012, 04:36 PM
I think its one of these.
seabass
11-25-2012, 06:53 PM
Classic.......
Slowman
11-25-2012, 10:14 PM
Is it just me or is the foil image of the Chubby Chedda looking a bit strange? Seems like all of the other boards are rotated so that the top deck is about horizontal, but on the CC the board is tilted a lot forward, making it look like it's got a lot of tail-rocker an very little nose-rocker:
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You weren't the only one, I noticed that too...the deck isn't horizontal you can tell by the rows of checks they aren't parallel to the deck like they are for the others. Actually the EF looks like it is out too but the other way a tad.
Pretty hard to compare rockers and foils anyway...the board compare function only does it for some models. It moves them together and overlaps them so you can better see the differences.
paulnunn
11-28-2012, 03:37 AM
Hellfire 5'10 or Chubby Chedda 5'11? I'm 80kg and 34 years old. Got an 6'0 alternator for good waves and want a dumpster diver type board for small-meduim waves. When we gonna see some C.C's for sale in Oz? I surf pretty good and surf good waves around the South Coast. Had a Spitfire but hated it but had a go on the Hellfire and liked it, so wondering how the C.C would compare?
Chris
11-28-2012, 11:38 AM
hey Paul,
Compared to the hellfire, the CHubby Chedda rides a bit flatter and is more front footed. The hellfire really likes to be ridden off the back foot. The CC will give you more of that dumpster diver style ride so maybe that would be the board for you, but there are so many people who love the Hellfire. I am wondering if because you liked the hellfire, it might actually be the one to go with as the two ride so differently....
Cheers
daveo
11-30-2012, 05:25 PM
When will the chubby ched be available in US / San Diego? I've sold my dom. cause the tail is too thick, and am on the verge of buying an HF but this thing (CC) looks insane!
paulnunn
12-01-2012, 04:45 PM
Cheers Chris
For knee to slightly overhead Trestles type waves, I'm guessing the C.C over the Hellfire? Will an extra 1.4 litres of volume make all that much difference?
Cheers Paul
Chris
12-04-2012, 07:31 AM
Hey Paul,
that added volume will really impact you in a way that reflects how close you are to either the low or high part of your optimum volume range. If you are already up close to the top, 1.4 could push it over the edge.
If however you are looking close to the bottom, the added 1.4L might make the board perfect.
I think if you are happy with the 600 Alternator, you should be targeting the 510 and looking to maybe consider the 509 or 511. I ride the 600 Alternator and I personally wouldn't go any bigger than the 510..
Cheers and hope this helps.
daveo
12-23-2012, 05:50 PM
Just got my ched in and surfed it in head-highish reef mix anywhere from slow backed off, to steeper racy surf. Board paddles great. Got into waves easy. Tail rocker pleased me on some super late drops. So far only used wct fins and not really a fan. A little too much pivot for the waves I was surfing but they could do the trick on smaller beach days. This thing is really quick and gets around sections with ease. More updates to come, but really stoked so far!! This one could definitely be a quiver killer.
I'm 6'3 175-180lbs. Got the 6'1 and it feels perfect
Had a few surfs on my 6'6" Chubby in various right hand point break conditions from 2-4ft, goes extremely well on fast suckier waves turns really well did find it to be slower than my BP 5'11" however that was expected and it's my first thruster for 5 years. I replaced my Hellfire 6'6" and Spitfire 6'4" with this board and I have no regrets the transition my my BP to the CC is only about two waves which is perfect.
Rode it with Future AM2 Techflex felt nice.
Fazza
12-23-2012, 11:27 PM
Just got my ched in and surfed it in head-highish reef mix anywhere from slow backed off, to steeper racy surf. Board paddles great. Got into waves easy. Tail rocker pleased me on some super late drops. So far only used wct fins and not really a fan. A little too much pivot for the waves I was surfing but they could do the trick on smaller beach days. This thing is really quick and gets around sections with ease. More updates to come, but really stoked so far!! This one could definitely be a quiver killer.
I'm 6'3 175-180lbs. Got the 6'1 and it feels perfect
Daveo,
Good to hear...i have been surfing my 5'11 Chubby the last month and absolutely love it. Has a really nice feel to it on the waves, paddles extremely well. Been surfing mine above hip high to head and half without a problem.
I experimented with fins for a few surfs and tried, WCT's - ok but didn't like them, Clay Marzo CM2's - too stiff, V2 460 - too stiff, Future AM1 Blackstix - Perfect
Really like how the board paddles into waves, has nice run and turns like a short board.
daveo
12-24-2012, 09:42 AM
Fazza, thank you! Really helps me narrow down my fin selection. I'll be trying the am1 blackies next. I was thinking am1, cm2, or yu.. would love to hear anyone's input on the YU's.
I haven't surfed futures in a few years, so I'm back to the demo tree. For reference, the soar DM was my fav on the dominator.
As you said. The Chubby paddles great and was still getting me into some backed off reef surf the other day and has enough rocker to handle the tight pockets and late drops well. Great control on the larger waves too. I was a bit concerned with the thickness of this board but I have experienced nothing but positives from it. Much more high performance than the dom I sold to get this beaut. Tighter turning arcs and heaps of spray. Climbs the face really well and no forward rail dig like the dom on steep hacks. I think you nailed the optimal range, waist to maybe DOH. I'd rather have a fish or hybrid on gutless, fat days, but the ched is definitely a daily driver for decent surf with short board performance and good paddle power. And everyone loves being able to take off a few inches in board length.
6'3. 175. 6'1 chubby
Had 6'0 dominator> great board, maybe a bit too much volume for me, wanted higher performance.
prjwebb
12-24-2012, 09:59 AM
Maaan I want a Ched... Too many boards :(
Fazza
12-25-2012, 06:14 AM
You can never have too many boards Prj.....
prjwebb
12-25-2012, 06:32 AM
My sig takes up too much room as it is!
kdropin
12-25-2012, 06:38 AM
yeah i want one too!
fazza compare the hellrazor to the chedda! from paddle to performance to grovelability thx
Fazza
12-25-2012, 07:22 PM
yeah i want one too!
fazza compare the hellrazor to the chedda! from paddle to performance to grovelability thx
The 506 PNator always gives me that nice stoke feeling after surfing it, the CC does exactly the same thing.
I liked the Hellrazor but found it a bit hit and miss, the CC to me definitely feels like a smoother ride and i feel like i can really push it more compared to the HZ....may be thats just me.
The CC definitely handles smaller waves better than the HZ and i think can hold its own in bigger stuff. The HZ would probably handle a suckier take off better but the CC is not far behind and depending on your ability that may not bother you.
I am finding that it paddles better than the HZ and for me i can turn it better on either my forehand or back hand it feels great, nice control and really smooth to turn.
The CC has a low entry rocker which will help getting into waves early, gives it nice run and speed, has a really nice tail kick, single concave with a double through the fins and a bit of V in the tail. I have surfed it in some cross shore and onshore mush and was still fun.
I was looking for aboard to surf small to overhead + waves that was fun to surf, easy to turn and the CC has been giving me that.
kdropin
12-25-2012, 07:53 PM
thanks man sounds good... yeah the razor for me has been magic.. has gone off every time i've ridden it.. but for me the only thing that bothers me a lil is the length.. i like riding a shorter board.. i'm in no position to buy a new board but the chedda sounds fun
Fazza
12-25-2012, 10:48 PM
I agree and like it being shorter......could have gone slightly smaller
buzzy
12-26-2012, 01:06 AM
I had the impression the CC was ingended aa a knee to head high board, but most posts seem to be talking about it as effectively a standard shortboard good for waist to double overhead. I shouldn't view it as a board which fits the same range as the Dom/Spit (but more refined)?
prjwebb
12-26-2012, 02:25 AM
I reckon if you're a shorter/heavier guy riding one longer than your height it makes a difference. For me at 6'0 and looking at a 509/510 it's going to feel too short in the big stuff I reckon.
The low nose rocker would be another limiting factor but I don't know how flat it actually is. The Mini Driver was described as low nose but for me it has a decent amount.
Buzzy, the CC is definitely different to the Dom however has similar characteristics as the SF, I do think the CC will handle a larger wave range than the SF I have only ridden mine up to4ft and feels like it will handle a lot more.The thing about the CC is the volume of my 6'6" V's My old SF 6'4" is a fraction lower and you can feel it does not float as well however it does catch waves easily. If you are used to a thruster the CC is nice however if you are used to a quad it's a bit of a transition however not to bad probably 2-6 waves. I did go back to my BP 5'11" today and what a board in under 3ft it almost like cheating it's that easy to ride, the amount of waves you catch and the board rips perfect for the summer crowd. If you want a two board quiver get a BP and CC and you are sorted for anything from 6 inches to 7ft.
Wandi
12-26-2012, 05:46 PM
Would I be correct in saying that the CC would have the most tail rocker in the FW range
That kick looks like the old Taj
Fazza
12-27-2012, 03:28 AM
Would I be correct in saying that the CC would have the most tail rocker in the FW range
That kick looks like the old Taj
I'll have to check it against a mates old Taj and also against the Bourez and see.......does have a decent tail kick for sure.
custom
12-27-2012, 04:41 AM
I think tail kick is too much but the MB or Taj evenly distributed rocker must be more.You can see that also against JK just check Fazza photos.
http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/f/showthread.php?1028-Luke-Short-Designs-(LSD)/page2
daveo
12-27-2012, 08:36 AM
The tail kick offers a great compliment to the low entry rocker. A good paddler that is still able to perform in the steep and tight stuff. Forgiving, high performance, and easy to get into waves. Pretty good combo.
prjwebb
12-27-2012, 10:04 AM
Yeah I'm a big fan of a low entry/tail kick combo.
I think me and the 510 would get on well...
daveo
01-11-2013, 03:40 PM
Anyone have more feedback on fins for the chedda??
I am absolutely loving this board and am trying to dial in the perfect fin set.
So far ive tried:
EA techdlex- worked awesome in the shoulder to head 1/2 range.
WCT techflex- liked in steep beachies but a little too much pivot in slower waves.
Im thinking of buying both of these sets for their respective benefits in certain conditions.
Also tried:
CM1- Not a fan. They were aweful when I surfed them in a bit of chop.
YU- didnt like them.
Want to try EA blacksticks
and AM1 blacksticks
Anyone have any advice? Im 6'3 180. 6'1 ched. Finding that small tip and lots of rake are things I dont like
Hey daveo I have mine set up with Future AM2 Techflex and found that they suit most conditions from in waves bigger than 3ft very stable fin with great release off the top, also tried my JC1 Blackstix and hated them the board felt really tight. I have only ridden by CC over 3ft as the BP takes its place in anything under 3ft.
Sarge
01-24-2013, 09:10 PM
Hi Daveo,
yeah I reckon with a) your weight b) volume and width of the CC & c) the tail rocker of the CC you will need to try something larger than the fins you have described above.
Those little fins are hiding around the corner of the rocker and due to tail width set apart (in very oversimplified terms tight fin cluster = drive and straight lines. - separated cluster = loosness)
IMO you need something bigger to connect with the water to drive off.
AM2 techflex or kinetic racing JP5 carbo-tune, and I would be leaning to the JP5 with a bigger base, slightly less rake and slightly more area in the tip. Plus I think the flex is more suited to the 2 - 4 foot range.
FW - Fan
01-24-2013, 09:24 PM
Anyone have more feedback on fins for the chedda??
I am absolutely loving this board and am trying to dial in the perfect fin set.
So far ive tried:
EA techdlex- worked awesome in the shoulder to head 1/2 range.
WCT techflex- liked in steep beachies but a little too much pivot in slower waves.
Im thinking of buying both of these sets for their respective benefits in certain conditions.
Also tried:
CM1- Not a fan. They were aweful when I surfed them in a bit of chop.
YU- didnt like them.
Want to try EA blacksticks
and AM1 blacksticks
Anyone have any advice? Im 6'3 180. 6'1 ched. Finding that small tip and lots of rake are things I dont like
Daveo ..if you live in Australia and want to buy a near new set of WCTS..let me know.
daveo
01-26-2013, 08:27 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Fw-fan- unfortunately i do not live in Aus, otherwise I probably would hit you up for those fins.
I'll be trying some of those larger fins too. I have been curious to test the kenetik jp 5 and ai 2.1 but it's very hars to find a set to demo other than finatik, which I might do. Not a whole lot of reviews on those fins either. I've heard the jp5 is the same as soar DL, which I used in my dom on bigger days but honestly felt like a bit too much fin to me- harder to release off the top. I really loved the DMs.
Think I still need to give the EA blacksticks a shot. I really liked the tech flex in the shoulder to about DOH range, held fine just thought I could be getting a little more drive and maybe the blackstix foil will give me that. Or am2. We'll see.
It appears Chris is using the wct / ea combo as I was alluding to so maybe im not too far off..
Chris
01-28-2013, 12:57 PM
yeah daveo those are two really good ones. I love blackstix foils in small to average surf and the WCTs when there is a workable wave!
Sarge
03-17-2013, 09:07 PM
Hi Daveo,
yeah I reckon with a) your weight b) volume and width of the CC & c) the tail rocker of the CC you will need to try something larger than the fins you have described above.
Those little fins are hiding around the corner of the rocker and due to tail width set apart (in very oversimplified terms tight fin cluster = drive and straight lines. - separated cluster = loosness)
IMO you need something bigger to connect with the water to drive off.
AM2 techflex or kinetic racing JP5 carbo-tune, and I would be leaning to the JP5 with a bigger base, slightly less rake and slightly more area in the tip. Plus I think the flex is more suited to the 2 - 4 foot range.
I just wanted to take back the recommendation of the JP 5s for this board. Big humble pie eating going on at my place. Am finding noticeable tracking going on with them in this board. Why? Who knows? Perhaps it's the fact that unlike my above misinformation on fins and boards - the CC has a V out the tail which is straightening the rocker though the centre line and exposing the fin to the wave more. Whatever! - I am now preferring the HS large for up to head high and the AM 2 tech flex when it's bigger, sometimes keeping the HS in the rear position. Still love the JP 5s in all my other boards.
Fabio
05-08-2013, 06:23 AM
Hi daveo,
Wondering if you still riding the 6-1 CC or moved on?
Im looking for a change and love the CC look and concept.
I'm a few kgs lighter than you and thinking of a 6-1 for an allrounder (Sou West Oz). thinking mostly 3 to 5ft reef and beach breaks.
Did you find any obvious limitations?
Did you ever compare the 6-1 to the 6-2, was there a noticable difference in the bulk??
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