Lost Sub-Scorcher Info

[Chris]

"I wanna board for 'mush'. Something short and wide, but still a hi performance shortboard….something like Dane's board", Kolohe Andino. The challenge was laid down. Starting with the old SD, we squashed the dims to 5'6" x 19 3/4" x 2 3/16", lowered the entry rocker and shallowed out the concave through the center to straighten the rail line (for drive) and made it easier to lay such a wide platform over on a rail. Voila! Our stubbiest shortboard yet, but it still carves like a real board. Kolohe wanted to call it "The Trashcan Lid" because you don't need to go dumpster diving to get one of these.

Lost Sub-Scorcher Quiver Page (http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/quiver_boards.php?boardid=lost_sub-scorcher)

[kdropin]

i saw scorcher is available in fst on the lost site.. not for me.. i'm thinking the sub scorcher or the sub driver would be great.. sub driver no fst which won't be an option for me then

[Mana]

yeah sub driver in fst would find its way fast into my quiver also for sure! most interesting ...lost design this year, imo

[Chris]

Yeah its a cool one. We'll keep you posted on Lost developments as they develop.

Cheers!

[kdropin]

chris i'm still debating on a 5'10 or 5'8 sub. the volume of the 5'8 is really low no? i'm thinking that this is a hybrid type board so 27.3 L on the 5'8 is a lot lower then my 5'8 dom.. 5'10 is 29 and is 2L less then dom.. i don't want to ride a boat but i also don't want to be struggling to ride and catch waves.. i'm really on the fence on this one being 170ish and high intermediate surfer

[kdropin]

i was also thinking that i'd ride this simiiar to the hellfire volume wise.. am i wrong?

[prjwebb]

High intermediate at 170 is 508 for sure. Honestly it doesn't feel like 27.3l. I'm reluctant to have that little volume in a HPSB. My Taj's both have over 28l. The Sub paddles easier than the stock 6'2" Taj, very fast and stable and you can do committed turns on it on bigger waves that'd have you nursing on a Dominator.
My advise would be, if you want to use it to replace the Dom and surf small weak stuff, get the 510. If you're keeping your Dom for the bottom end and are getting a Sub for days where it's small with some punch or bigger but a bit weak to shortboard then the 508 goes great.
Do you have a Hellfire? What size are you riding? It's very similar volume to the Hellfire so that's a good guideline. I'm not sure what size HF Chris would choose now, but I know his preference was the 510, and he was thinking 510 Sub initially too but is now riding a 508 Sub.
My best advice would be to try and hold both. That's ultimately would made me realise the 510 had loads of volume and the 508 would work for me, although I was a little skeptical until I started paddling out on it for the first time.
I've ridden it in a 4/3 with boots so far and it still felt fine. Trying it in a hooded 5/4 with boots tomorrow so I'll let you know if it feels too small in all that rubber.

[kdropin]

i was also thinking that i'd ride this simiiar to the hellfire volume wise.. am i wrong?
yeah let me know prjwebb. i plan on keeping the dom and using the sub in waist to head punchy waves. i might like it too much to put down though.. i don't have a hellfire and would think i'd be riding a 5'10 in that board bc they say ride 2 inches up from the dom.. i doubt i'll be able to feel the boards up bc i will most likely have to order it from the shop that carries firewires. i don't think they have any in but will double check.. going down to 27L makes me nervous but like i said i dont want a boat either. considering the volume is very similiar between the two board (hellfire and sub) what would change riding a 5'8 compared to the 5'10? chris could you possibly chime in and give your opinion as well? you've been pretty spot on with your recommendations with my boards and do well riding boards similiar size to you (even though you're on the west coast now) but have a very good idea of what the east coast wave is like.. thanks guys! greatly appreciate it don't want to blow $ on a board that doesn't go right..

[Mana]

Chris, what's behind the 6'4 sub-scorcher having 39,9l volume according to fw website, but only 38,6l (even as they use the marking cl instead of the more correct l) on the lost surfboards site..? I suppose the fst sub-scorch model is no different in shape than in the other techs (although the tail shape does look a bit different in pictures) ..just wondering and splitting hairs here maybe, but 1,3l is starting to be a substantial diff. imo.. obviously more than twice as substantial as some earlier dom 604 dimensions showing 40,9l and now 41,5l..

http://www.firewiresurfboards.com/quiver_boards.php?boardid=lost_sub-scorcher

vs.

http://www.lostenterprises.com/surfboards/details/the-sub-scorcher

Still, I think I'll wait for the chance that the new sub-driver would become available in fst before ordering a ...lost shape. hopefully the 6'6 in 42,3l largest lost stock size would be included as well, as it would fit smack in the middle of my dom 604 (41,5l) and sp 508 (43l) volumes, thus complementing my now two-board quiver nicely.. I think I'd need slightly more volume on a sub-driver than on my dom due to the perceivably bit more performance-oriented shape and steeper front rocker

[Chris]

Hey Kdropin,
I do think its a matter of preference. The 508 has worked well for me, the one point I will make is the rails are short so you have to like what comes along with having a bit less length. But to agree with Prj, the volume is ok for someone your weight even though it is less than the dominator. My 508 Dominator feels a little too floaty for me now, but comes back to where i want it after a session.

Mana, not entirely sure. I have the volume being about 39.5. Not sure why Matt has something different?

All I can say is that the current FST Sub Scorcher files have been approved by Matt himself.

Hope this helps

[prjwebb]

I think a good way to look at it is to say, could you see yourself on a 5'6" Dom? Then the 2" up onto your Hellfire and Subscorcher would be easy to justify. I found my 5'8" Spitfire to be more volume than I needed, especially once the waves had a little bit of punch, but the 5'6" would be too short for me a 6ft tall. I was looking at the 5'8" Hellfire as a Spitfire replacement, with a Sweet P in mind to cover the junky conditions, but then I got the chance of a good deal on the Sub so grabbed it instead of a HF.

[kdropin]

thanks chris! what size waves have you taken it out in for the most part? how would you compare the paddling ability to the 5'8 dom? have you tried to grovel with the 5'8? prjwebb did you get in today in the 5mm? this is the most i've ever debated on a board b4.. damn
if i went with the 5'8 i'd probably rock the g-ams to get drive off a smaller railed board.

[prjwebb]

Yeah I used it today in the hooded 5/4, still plenty of float but damn did i feel slow haha. Hopefully it's just because it's a brand new suit that needs breaking in and because I'm not used to it. I couldn't bare to feel like that all winter!
Huge swell all this week so I'll be getting in quite a bit hopefully!

[kdropin]

nice keep feedback coming.. hows the paddle compared to your 5'8 spit?

[prjwebb]

Not quite as well, but better than my 6'2" Taj even though the Taj has a higher volume.

[Chris]

Yeah I concur with Prj. Doesn't paddle quite as well as the 508 Dom. I would say that the 508 is a good option if you want the minimal volume, but the 510 would work well for you too. It really comes down to what you are after and what you wear for suits, I think Prjs experience is valuable because the 508 is right about at the smallest someone our size would want to go. then you a heavy suit into the equation and an adjustment needs to be made.

[kdropin]

thanks chris! yeah both of your inputs have been great.. btw what fins are you guys running on the sub? i was going to try the g-am pc's that i have when i eventually get the board.. so any news on the new ...lost models? the sub driver seems to be getting really popular and might be easier to put into firewire tech without the vee out the tail

[prjwebb]

I've been running k3s. I've been liking more raked fins in my really short boards. I try and counter that short rail line with extra hold in the fin, especially in bigger conditions.
I've got some Soar Powerbase DLs on the way do will see how they feel. That extra stiffness at the base could be really beneficial on a shorter board. They could end up staying in my Taj though.

[Chris]

Yeah I used the Jw-1s. Like PRJ a little more sweep. short shortboard THRUSTERS i like that kind of fin, short hybrid QUADS and THRUSTERS, I like the upright fins....WCTs, SF4s, K2.1s, etc.

my choices.

[Erling]

How does the Sub Scorcher compare to the Alternator Chris?

[Chris]

Hey Erling,
comparison between the two:

Subscorcher has more volume per unit length, fuller rails, and a flatter rocker. Faster in smaller surf not quite as "trustworthy" in better surf, meaning its easier to blow out at high speeds. Both are sick boards and I actually think, they complement each other really well, but i wouldn't say they are interchangeable.

does that help?

[prjwebb]

Had a great surf on my Sub today. Headhigh, maybe a little over on some sets. Moderate offshore. Low tide on a really fun bank with just me and a few mates out. Some good long lefts walling up and some really good rights with a little bowl that really let you hook into some turns. One of the first surfs I've had on the Sub that has had consistent walls to really get a couple of turns on wave after wave even though I've had it a while now. That's how often it's racy closeouts here!
Board felt really good and I'm loving those Soar fins. Plenty of drive, tight turns and good release in snaps but no slide. Just a good all round set of fins. First surf I've had in ages where I've come in feeling good about the session (except for the Potato day) and how I surfed.

[Chris]

good stuff prj!

[norberg]

Hi guys

Looking at getting a a sub scorcher for small and gutless surf, but not sure to go for the 6'2 or the 6'0 as I would probably fall somewhere in between here. The 6'2 has a lot more volume than what I am used to(HP 31,6L) but the 6.0 might not be enough for surfing small crappy waves.

Note that I will mostly surf with a 6/5/4 wettie which will be slowing me down a fair bit.

Cheers

Height 6'3
Weight 198Lbs
Advanced, but not doing airs yet:-(

[prjwebb]

The 5'8" is slightly less volume than I'd typically use, but the board goes great. I've been using it in everything from waist high weaker stuff right up to head and a half clean groundswell. It seems to work best somewhere in the middle though.
As a board for small, gutless surf I don't think the Sub is your best choice though. I see it more as a mini shortboard than really loves a bit of shape to the waves. Maybe if I moved up a size it'd work a little better for the small, gutless stuff but I see something like the Potatonator/Dominator/Sweet Potato being better for those days.

[norberg]

Hey

Thanks for the feedback. Kind of thinking that if I stick with the 6'2 it would work in smeller waves. I have tried the dominator and I have got the Spitfire, but can't really get used to riding hybrids. Can't really get them to work, hence not surfing how I want to.

Will probably go for a 6'2 as it would be a good travel board as well in addition to a normal HP board

Cheers

[prjwebb]

They definitely paddle better and catch waves better than the volume would suggest. I wouldn't say I catch waves early on it, but with a bit of positioning right in the peak it gets going easy with a couple of paddles.
Really fun board though, I'd love to try one a little longer and a touch narrower. 5'10" x 19" x 2.31" would be goooood!

[seabass]

Hey norberg,

This might help on sizing i am 6'1 and 82kgs and i ride a 6'0 scorcher with large AMs and its perfect, it paddles well, picks up waves easier then a normal shortboard, can handle well over my head power waves, even had a barrell on it and it held perfectly, it loves sucky beach breaks and loves no it drolls i droll over the beachies when the easterly wind has made it nice and messey and everyone is in carpark watching. It turns on a dime, comes off the top no worries and it will drive off the bottom with plenty speed and power, i had some amazing righthanders the other day to myself(magic morning only after an hour i was joined by a Doctor from sydney who couldn't belive his luck) about 8ft consistent on the face and i really had an opportunity to work the board over and over and it preformed better then expected. The kick in the tail really allows you to turn back into the pocket or pump it a little to accelerate to the next part of the wave. its a great all rounder and i surf that and my potato and nothing else now, i live in a spot with average waves most time so its perfect. hope this helps.

[surferireland]

Looking for opinion here, would a 6'2 Sub paddle better than a 5'10 dom?

[Chris]

ohhh tough call...hard to back numerically, or really with anything other than an estimate.

I think they will paddle comparably in decent surf, but I do feel the Dominator has a better small wave versatility.

I personally would reach for the Sub Scorcher in clean ripple surf because it has a slightly narrower nose, but over all, its a FLAT short board that does get into waves easily.

Cheers!

[surferireland]

i was thinking the sub may get into waves a little easier with its 3ltrs more volume

[prjwebb]

I think a bigger sub would paddle well. I'm riding mine the same size as my Spitfire and it paddles a little slower and needs a bit more quality in the wave to get going, but on a decent wave it's a little flyer!

[FW - Fan]

First ride of a Sub schorcher today...very impressed....went much better than it looked.

[prjwebb]

Nice, I love mine, great little board. I wish I could order a custom at 5'10 x 19" x 2.31" :(

[norberg]

Hey guys

I have had my Sub Scorcher 6'0" for about 6 months now and absolutely loving the board. However, sometimes I tend to get stuck midway through turns. Not sure if that has to do with the board itself or if it is due to the fins. I am using the FCS Nexus H-3 fins and I read somewhere that these fins have a tendency to make the board bog sometimes. I have tries it with the AM2 fins, but didn't like it.

It is not a huge issue, but keen to know if anyone else has had similar experiences with the board or the fins?


Cheers

[gkekoa]

I like the wct upright but for my weight it doesn't work medium size surf like slight overhead, can u recommend an upright future fun that's alittle bigger than wct?

[Sarge]

I am pretty much the same weight and enjoy the HS large. I think they have under 33 degrees. Most of the larger futures are 35-36. The Roberts also look like the are fairly upright. Both have the V2 foil.