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Awesome news. Really interesting shaper.
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Sweet. Cheers.
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Guys,
The thing I find extraordinary about this post is the response from everyone else. Assuming there's some truth to what Blair has said in his post, the fact that most people have had positive experiences with FW boards and service are hardly going to do much to make him feel any better. The only responses I can see from anyone who represents FW on this are to wade in with all of the other bloggers and stick the boot in. The first response I would have expected of a company of FW's standing would have been to look beyond the tone and the fact that he has brought it up on other threads (which if what he says is true is more than understandable) and post a reply that addresses the actual issues he has raised. On the other hand, if what he says is not true or is particularly one-sided, then I would post FW's side of the story. Because at the moment, the message you are sending out does not befit the usual excellence of your product.Leave a comment:
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Agree with everything Slowman said. My HF is 6'4" but I've ridden it successfully at 98kgs, which is (thankfully) a couple more chins than I currently own so could easily migrate down to the 6'2". Having said that, the HF still works perfectly so there's no need. The range on these boards is insane. My HR is 6'5" and is totally the right one for me to be on.
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Hey Chris,
If you look at the dates you'll find that was actually my very first post about the volume calculator, but if you read it after the other posts I can see why it rubbed you up the wrong way. I'm not trying to rag on it for the sake of ragging on it, but my experience is that it doesn't work as well for me as what FW had in place before.
In one of the subsequent posts I simply said that the buyers guide worked better for me, and the thread I started was for the purpose of a constructive discussion around whether putting some definitions in place might cause it to work better. Which some others seem to agree would make sense.
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Hi Chris,
Comparing the JackKnife to the HellFire, in the 6'4"s, both are the same thickness, the JK is 1/4" wider but it comes in at a lower volume. I imagine the swallow and flyer would account for some of this but is there any significant difference in other factors such as foil?
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I don't know. Does excellent kick in at Laird Hamilton's or Mick Fanning's levels of fitness, or are they superhuman/off the scale? Even with average fitness, what is that? If you measured it in laps of a 50m pool without a break, how many would it be? Then again, lots of people do lots of different exercises. I don't know the answer to any of this stuff, and agree that it's hard to define. But I suspect lots of different people would have differing opinions on what is what. And therein lies the problem.
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Chito,
Given what you want the HellRazor for, I don't think you're going to be disappointed.
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Hey Chris,
Can you tell Nev to stop designing new boards? I'm never going to get my house paid off.
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I buy all that, and completely agree that FW has raised the bar on this front. I know it's only a guide to help people make an informed decision, that everyone's different, and that surfing is way too organic and subjective for it to be purely about numbers and all that. My point was and is that without a standard set of definitions (both of ability and fitness) people are going to be entering information that will make those decisions less informed than if those definitions had been in place. Actually, it would be an interesting topic of discussion to see where people out there think the different levels of ability kick in.
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Ability and fitness definitions needed.
In one of the other volume calculator threads STC67 suggested some definitions might come in handy for different levels of ability. I totally agree, and have made the same comment in a couple of other posts.
With all of the differing opinions that are no doubt out there regarding what constitutes intermediate, at what point are you advanced, etc, a standard set of definitions that Firewire works to is the key ingredient missing from what is otherwise an awesomely informative site. This is fairly common practice for most decent ski/snowboarding schools, who use a short paragraph or set of bullet points describing where your skiing or boarding is at (you can consistently link S turns, yada, yada, yada) to stream skiers and boarders into the appropriate group classes. I would apply the same thinking to define fitness level.
This would be very handy when using the volume calculator, which unless I talk my ability and fitness above what I would define them to be, steers me towards bigger boards than I'm currently riding and am more than happy with. In fact for two of them (Dom and Hellfire) if I had to change them I'd go down a size rather than up.
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It worked better for me than the new re-calibrated volume calculator.
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Not a fan of the new improved volume calculator. Punching in my info (intermediate/advanced, 50 years old, average fitness, 89 kg) the boards it puts me on have way too much volume. According to the new guidelines, the shortest Dominator I should now ride is now 6’4”. Shortest Hellfire 6’6”. Shortest HellRazor 6’11”. My current quiver, which I’m very happy with, is listed below. And based on the recommendations that were in place when I bought the Dominator and Hellfire, I could’ve gone the next size down in both.
Have the laws of physics changed recently or is the new calculator calibrated on the assumption that most guys are going to talk their fitness and ability up? Because that’s pretty much the only way for me to hit the (quite sound) recommendations I’ve had in the past.Leave a comment:
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Hey Greg,
The biggest waves I've had my HellRazor out in so far have been about 4'. Pretty punchy and clean, and loving it. However I have had my HellFire out in 5'+ and it felt like it would be able to handle more quite easily, so if the HR is a step-up from that I'm confident it will handle 6'+ quite easily.The HR paddles into waves really well. I live in Auckland and when it's good it's good but you have to put up with a lot of mush, too. When it's totally bogus I ride my Dom, but it if it's clean I ride my HellFire from about 2' up. Haven't had my HR long enough yet to know at exactly which point of wave quality I will leave the HF in the bag and pull the HR out; still gravitating towards it for every surf as it's so new. I ride both as quads and have mainly been using the FCS Mayhems - though I have just also bought a set of the Rusty Quads but haven't used them yet. Fully recommend the 6'4" in the HF. Not sure about 6'9" for the HR though. Would be interested to hear what Chris reckons.
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Hey guys,
Personally I don't think it's necessarily an either/or scenario. Sure, there is a lot of crossover between these two boards, but because one is a more refined version of the other, the way I view having both is as one magic board that will see you from all but the most grovelsome of waves (I had a fun surf on my HF a couple of weeks back in tiny, tiny waves) right through to 6'+ with zero transition problems between one board and the other.
By the way (and with respect) I'm not sure I agree with Chris that the HF will be better in bigger waves than the HR. Sure, HF does have the added volume for paddling in, but once you're up and running there's a lot more rail to have to bury and width to work around. Most of the guff on the site seems to position HR as a step up from HF. Again, saying this with respect as I've definitely benefited from Chris's comments, both in direct answers to questions I've asked and reading his answers to others.
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Sweet. I imagine you'd get some fairly primo waves around your neck of the woods, too. What's the biggest you've had it out in and did it handle it ok?
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Cheers. Will let you know how it goes in Indo.
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Awesome. Bear in mind this is based on a sample of one session, (three foot, reasonably punchy and offshore pretty good waves) and it really wants to go. Really fast, snappier and more agile than the HellFire but still feels like you've got a solid board under you. There is a lot of talk about mega cross-over between these boards and they are very similar but that gives you a seamless transition from one to the other. Like it says on the tin it really does feel like a more refined, higher performance version of the HF.
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I picked mine up yesterday and it's FCS. And it's brilliant.
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Agree the volume calculator is pretty good. One criticism I have though has to do with ability level. Because surfing is still quite an organic (don't mean that in a hippy way) sport there is no uniform set of criteria that defines where beginner, intermediate and advanced begin and end and for this reason and one person's definition will vary wildly to somebody else's. At what point, for instance, are you advanced? When you can consistently link turns and do proper roundhouse cutbacks? Or is surfing to the point where all of that is now considered basic and do you need to do be able to pull of airs and stuff?
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