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Does the PN surf at all like a fish?I recently got a SP and do NOT connect with the board at all. Way to rear foot bias and I just can't seem to be consistent on it. Needs a new home, but after recently taking out a quad fish I have in my quiver, perhaps something more "fishy" would be better. I have a spitfire and love that board, so would the PN be a little like a cross between a fish and a SF. Or is it too much like a SP that I should stay away?
The thought that the high volume might be a problem did occur to me, but typically when surfboards get higher in volume the board typically gets easier, not harder to ride. But maybe the SP is a unique case? I weigh about 195 with my wetsuit.
I ride a 6'4" spitfire which is over volume for me, but I love it.
Originally posted by aurfalien View PostHi Barns,
Sorry to hear about the frustration.
Well, not every board is for every one so it could be as simple as that. Although I have gotten some sweet rides on my SP, I am up sizing it but yours is big already.
This guy I surf with absolutely rips on hss 5'10" SP and says its his go to board in any condition. He surfs his board top to bottom, off the lip etc... solid bottom turns etc... throws gallon jug sized buckets. He weighs like 230 LBS@6'1".
Could it be too much board, 5'10" is huge volume wise.
Good luck man, I can relate.
It is a 5'10". I got it big so I can get into waves early when I surf at spots where there are more longboards. Once i get up there isnt a problem riding it, although it is much different that any other short board, and yes, it is very back foot biased. The problem is popping up which makes me feel like a total kook. Yesterday was my most frustrating day on it, and maybe it was just a combination of being on that board, indo controller fins, surfing at shoulder+ head slow surf of San Onofre (which is a slopey wave, not hollow at all), and being super tired.Last edited by barney; 08-19-2012, 05:02 PM.
Originally posted by kdropin View Postwhat fins are u using? i found that with the indo controllers the board was racing way ahead of where i wanted to b.. i couldn't stand them.. stretches are good and will stay in the board from now on
FYI- I took the SP out yesterday after I already got up at 4:30 am to hit a dawn patrol session on my spit. In other words I not only was tired because it was my second long session of the day, but also because I got up so freaking early. I am just not sure at this point I want to "learn" to surf all over again, no time for that, I just want to surf and have fun. No problems on my Spitfire (love that board) or my stretch F4 quad, etc...
About to give up on My SPIt isn't really the board, but I think it is more about me, how I just can't get it dialed in and my lack of skills.
I have only taken it out 2-3 times but every session, I end up throwing away 1/2-3/4 of the session. I am an intermediate surfer, 42 years old, but have fairly short arms (which makes popping up quick, very difficult, so I typically do a little stutter as I am getting up. This is not a problem with any time I ride a traditional thruster, as it tends to hold the board a brief second at take off. It is a slight problem with quad fish or twins, as they ARe so fast, they tend to run down the wave so quickly, but I have figured it out). The problem with the SP is that as the wave picks up and I try to pop up quickly the board either starts to run on me and I look like a total kook, trying to get up after I have already gone down the face of the wave OR the board starts to shake back and forth (kind of like speed woobles on a skateboard). This speed wobble sensation is something I have never had a problem with on a fish and think it is a problem with the SP because of the deep V bottom, which makes it want to teeter totter back and forth (which is what makes it so fun when I actually do get up).
The problem now is that I no longer want to use this board any more because it makes me look like more of a kook Than I already am and I am throwing waves away, which is so frustrating, knowing I could have had so much fun riding the wave on my spitfire.
Anyone else have these problems? I am really thinking about selling it and maybe getting a potatonator, would that ride more like my spitfire, or would I just have the same issues as the SP?Last edited by barney; 08-19-2012, 01:32 PM.
Think I am going to order the following and play around with different combos:
Rusty 5 fin
Any thoughts on getting a set of controllers for the spitfire, or is that fin too big and rakey for the spitfire?
Update, I like my AM2, but I am buddies with a shaper and just realized he can get me futures fins super cheap so looking to try another type of fin. What would you guys recommend, in other words a couple sets which are totally different than the AM2 set up?
It was waist to shoulder and really pretty good shape. The tide effected it later, typical. I don't usually surf much down there, usually hit one of the trestles breaks but had a friend that had limited time, so walking the trail to trestles wasn't a good idea.
I do take my family down there a lot on Sat in summer, too bad they always black ball the best break though.
barney started a topic Spitfire review: this just might be my "Magic" board
Spitfire review: this just might be my "Magic" boardJust rode my 6'4" spitfire and I am super stoked!!!! *Wave conditions were waist to shoulder high, pretty weak swell and tide was rising.*
I weigh about 185 lbs, 5' 10", 42 and am an intermediate surfer that needs all the help I can get paddling*getting into waves (have short arms, slight rotator cuff issues and my fitness isn't what it once was). I get out 1 or if I am lucky 2 times a week and surf South OC, from T-Street, Cottons, uppers, lowers, middles, church and some San-O. I wanted to change my quiver so I have less boards, but smarter and more purposeful.
These are the board I sold, to help reduce my quiver, I sold all 3 of these and replaced with ONE spitfire:
1. 6'3" Griffin 5 fin ModFish (really fun and great backside board, but if you put a slight bit of too much pressure on front, pearl city, was my #2 board). *This board seems like it should have been perfect for me, but it doesn't handle putting much front foot pressure on it at all, it's a bit heavy and doesn't paddle as well as the spitfire due to the increased rocker.*
2. 6'5" Stretch F4 quad-epoxy (probably was my favorite board, super fast, easier to catch waves than one would think based on dems, my go to). 6' 5" x 19.5" x 2.63". 33ml volume (that seems low). Not as pivoty as my higher volume spitfire (guessing the step down rails really help).*
3 6'6" Merrick Red Beauty. (I thought this would be my favorite, had wide and thicker rails, beak nose which gave it lots of volume, but I loved my stretch so much more, sold it just doesn't suit me for some reason). Also, even though it had lots of volume and a flatter rocker, it didn't catch waves or wasn't nearly as fast as I was hoping.*
My 6'4" rapidfire spitfire, ridden as a quad with AM2 fronts, futures 375 rears and an insert to fill the 5th fin box (I hate leaving the last fin box exposed and hate to think of the drag it would create).*
Surfed T Street tis AM and at the time ONLY long boarders were out, so I thought I was in trouble. Waves were weak too, but the first 3 waves I paddled for, just before I was ready to give up, I could feel my board start to pick up speed and ended up catching them. Super happy!!!
Some initial impressions
I am much more of an old school flowy surfer than the really aggressive kids now, so typically fish and hybrids work better for me.*
1. *Wave catchability: excellent for a "short board". Better than my stretch F4, Merrick or Modfish, pretty similar to a much larger 6'4" Hanel Quad Fish that I own.*
2. *Speed: *very good+: *some people say it isn't isn't a board that is front foot heavy, I would say it is very very well balanced for me. The F4 was a little more front foot, Modfish and Merrick much more rear foot.*
3. Pivot: *Very good+: *seems to cut, hit lip, carve and perform round houses better than my F4 and Modfish, maybe not quite as good as my Merrick, but hard to tell at this point. The light wt construction of the FireWire and 2" shorter might make this as good or better than the Merrick.*
All in all, I can tell this is a great board for me. Most all of the positives of my Red Beauty thruster and 5 fin Griffin Modfish in the cutting, pivoting and workability while at the same time have similar speed and better wave catch ability than my F4 and Modfish.*
I have a sweet potato I still have the stickers on, but something tells me I want to keep riding this for a while and am in no hurry to get off it. You know how you ride a board for the first time and sometimes it doesn't go as well as you hoped and you just tell yourself "it was just a bad day" or "the waves just weren't good enough" or "I just need to get use to it". Then on some boards, the ones you really end up being a "magic" board because it works the very first time you try it. That is where this board is, *I am very very happy!!!
Was out of town for the weekend, looks like now there is no surf worthy of paddling out. Shaping up for a perfect midnight surf in a couple of days, 4+ so probably take out my spitfire instead. Surfing under a full moon on an unfamiliar board, probably not the smartest thing for me to do.
Hope to pick up traction pad today for the SP.
Originally posted by hwork50 View PostI surf the same spots and that is what I got my 5'6" set up as.
Fin set up For Sweet Potato ?Just got a SP 5'10" and asked the question in the SP section, but didn't realize there was a fin section, so here I am.
I am about 185 lbs and surf south OC from Creek to Trestles down to Churches. I am 42 and surf like it, more flowy vs aggressive style, that's why I prefer fishy and quAds. I have a set of MRTX fronts and the GXQ , Would this set up work fairly well for me? Other suggestions?
Good Quad set up with Spitfire?Just got a spitfire 6'4" and asked the questionin the spitfire section, but didn't realize there was a fin section, so here I am.
I am about 185 lbs and surf south OC from Creek to Trestles down to Churches. I am 42 and surf like it, more flowy vs aggressive style, that's why I prefer fishy and quAds. I have a set of AM2 fronts and the Future 375 quad rears. Here:
Would this set up work fairly well for me?
This is exactly why I got a SP. I surf trestles as well (also church, which is really why I got this board) and in early 40s and suck at getting into waves compared to the young dudes there.
I weigh 185, but a lot more with a full suit that I wear most of the year. Sure, I could have gone with a 5'6" and had enough volume to catch waves, but many people aren't familiar with the crowds in this area don't realize that if you don't get in waves early, you are watching and not surfing. I got a 5'10" to catch more waves, period! I just picked it up, and can't wait to get out on it.
I imagine what you experienced with the speed is like what a lot of people Do with a flat rocker and fishy board quad or twin. They are so fast, the board wants to run on you, it's like watching a kid jump in a skateboard and having it role out from underneath them. I have seem some total rippers that get on a quad fish for the first time and look like total kooks for a few waves, not understanding the dynamics of the board and the speed.
Btw, I also have a 6'4" spitfire to improve my wave count at uppers as well.
Originally posted by Waxer View PostI picked up a 5'6 fst SP with Future fins yesterday at the rip curl store in San Clemente. The guys there were nice enough to order me one. I'm using the SA4 Simon Anderson fins that I used on my Dom.
I took it out in 1-3 foot messy wind slop at Upper Trestles late yesterday. I'm 51, 5'10, 168 and an intermediate surfer. So here's my impressions. The paddle power is great. I can duck dive the board no problem. Once I figured out the best way to pop up on such a small board without bogging, I caught every wave I tried for. This is just what I wanted it for. I've never been able to catch small waves on a regular shortboard. Once I stood up, watch out because with my weight on the rear foot, the board just takes off!!!. It's really fast... It took me a few waves to catch up to the speed. In fact I need another few days to really dial this board in it's so fast. If you lean back to far, the board just starts flying and the next thing you know, you're on your butt! I've never had a board take off like that and I've ridden a lot of quads that were supposed to be fast but they always needed waves with a lot of push. If anyone wants a board who is older or you're not in great shape so you're not getting into waves or not making sections because the board isn't fast enough, THIS IS THE BOARD FOR YOU! If your surf spot has a slower wave without much push behind it, THIS IS The Board for you. I can't even imagine how fast this board will be in waist to chest high surf. I did manage to grab a couple of decent waves with shape and the board went on rail and felt great. It held and just kept picking up speed. I can't wait to get back in the water on a cleaner day!Last edited by barney; 05-26-2012, 09:47 AM.
Originally posted by iggy View PostActually with the potato, if you over size it you will be defeating the purpose of the board. The board was designed tO pack tons of volume in a very contained area.
At your dims I would Go for a Dominator and not bigger than a 5'10". The dominator paddles like a breeze. I reckon you could be fine on a 5'8".
1. *Get a SP at a much shorter, but similar volume as your HPSB, and get maybe slight more wave count and better groveler based on width and rocker.*
2. *Get a SP slightly shorter than your HPSB with more volume and catch a Ton more waves (up to shoulder high) compared to your SB, based on width, rocker AND volume.*
I fall into #2, my favorite SB to this point was a 6'5" stretch F4 quad with 33L. I ended up getting a 5'10" SP With 46.8L of volume. But I didn't get it to replace my stretch (actually, I bought a spit fire to do that), but I got if for much smaller mushy days and breaks or to battle spots where there are more guys riding longboards, fun boards and retro fish.*
It also depends on the break and crowds you normally surf. If you surf a punchy wave with a small crowd, you can scale waaaaay down (last time I checked, lowers, uppers and creek are very very rarely under crowded). If I had ideal conditions, I am sure many of us could easily scale down 4-6" on any board (or if I could lose 20 years and 10 pounds).*
something I notice about this board vs my Spitfire, the spit is a more glossy/shiny finish (not like a polished board, but more so than this sanded sweet) and also the balsa on the spit is much darker. Did FW change how they manufacture the boards?
Also, the rocker is very very similar to the Spit, and is identical to my Gary Hanel quad fish, and since I love how fast that board is, I can just tell that this board is going to go well.
Got me new Sweet Potato, Pictures insideAfter a month of waiting, I finally got my 5'10" Sweet Potato yesterday. Installed my fins last night, now I am stoked!!! I got the board for a smokin deal from a very close friend who owns a surfshop that sells a lot of FW, so he gave me a smokin deal. Come to think of it, I got the front fins on clearance at a Hobie store and the rears on Ebay (they were a smokin deal because, even know the discription said they were FCS RTM fins, the picture was so blurry that you couldn't really tell, so I ended up getting $50 fins for $25 shipped/no tax!!).
I ended up with the FCS MRTRX fronts (blue) and FCS GXQ (red rears) as suggested by so many posters here. I know the fins don't match and maybe kind of weird to have a pair of CI logo fins on a FW, but oh well.
Here are some pictures:
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I hope I say the same when I finally take mine out (same size as you and just got a 6'4"). I just got it to replace a 6'6" al merrick red beauty, 6'4" griffin 5 fin Modfish and a stretch 6'5" F4 quad surf tech. The surf tech was my favorite board, but I did lose a few waves as I am just over 40 years old and the thing only has 33L of volume. Hoping the volume of the Spit will get me more waves. Wave count is what matters to me, the Spit is so light, what I give up in volume and size, the wt should help me throw it around a little bit, plus, I am not really a vertical surfer anyway, just work it like a half pipe, then when It it starts to close out it try and pull a floater or hit the lip real hard. I am not into trying big maneuvers and having a good chance of falling if there is still plenty of wave/shoulder to ride. I guess that is whyOriginally posted by Superfreak View PostI'm 510 180 lbs and I have lost so many waves in my life that I decided to go with some volume. I ride a 604 Spit and love it. I rarely paddle for something and lose it to someone else (even longboards). The extra volume hasn't really held me back either as I feel my turns are still crisp. I've surfed it 3' to 10' and feel it is versitile in a range of conditions. Lately I've had a few sessions that made me think 'wow, this is THE board.'
Anyone ride a spit with Quad + Nubster?Just got back off a trip to Cabo and rented a traditional PU thruster down there. Made me remember that a thruster is best for juicier surf (which we don't often have in southern Calif). I had a 5 fin griffin Modfish that I really liked because it seemed to be the best of both worlds (quad and thruster, almost as fast as a quad, and had better pivot and back side surfability like a thruster). I have been doing a lot of research on the Von Sol Nubster or the FCS "Knubster". Rainbow fin company (RFC) does one as well, but it looks a little bigger, which i dont want. In doing the research, it sounds like this fin does a lot of the same things a 5 fin Griffin Modfish does. Kelly has used the Nubster in 3 events and won all 3, so it has to be somewhat legit.
Anyone try this set up on the Spit or Dom?
I pick up my SP tomorrow, and haven't surfed one yet, but I imagine it is like many quad or twin fish designs with a very flat rocker. What this means is that the pop up can be more challenging since the board is so fast and wants to run on you. This gets confirmed every time I hope on a normal thruster. Think of it this way, a thruster is intentionally made to be a slow board, so it holds you in the pocket. This makes it much easier to get up because it holds for a brief second as you pop up. A fishy type board wants to start flying down the Face of the wave right away, which makes it harder to get up and your feet on the board. Sometimes it makes you look like a kook if you aren't careful. A dominator in a 3 fin configuration would be much easier to learn on.
What rear fins to use with FCS MRTFX fronts?Have a SP on order, and already have a set of MRTFX fronts. What is recommended to put in the rear?
Dang, I really liked how you could ride the Stretch front foot heavy, made it really go. My Griffin Modfish either dies or pearls when you do that. Was hoping the spitfire would be best of both worlds???
Was going to take it out yesterday but it was so mushy I took a fish instead, so I still haven't even surfed it yet
I find with the spitfire (and other quads too) that you can get that pivot and release but you can also do tight little arcs too if you want. You have the best of both worlds, particularly if you add a 5th fin, that is, a little stabiliser. You can make your own or just use the knubster. I cut down an MRTFX rear trailer and foiled it smaller than the knubster and got just what I want (I started a thread about it on the dominator forum). I transferred this setup over from my dominator into the spitfire and it works perhaps even better (well the thinner tail and stepped rail is what is making the difference). It adds a little more looseness and tighter/faster turning capability. I'd say I can get the spitfire more vertical than I could the stretch, more often on a wave because of the way the tail bites but the bat tail and diamond tail feel pretty similar. Though as mentioned because the stretch "arced" rather than pivoted it never felt like you were puncturing the lip at a vertical angle because you had to start the arc, you could not keep projecting. So re-entries felt like tight little cutbacks in the lip more than re-entries. With the spitfire you can do whatever you want, pivot, arc, float and if I could do airs, boost too.
The stretch was more of a front foot board too, like a traditional twinnie and that is why it surfed so much like a twin fin. The spitfire is driven off the back foot and has more of a thruster feel even as a quad.
Just found it. The FCS guys are using MRTFX with the rear K2.1. That is supposed to be the same as the rear on the futures WCT. Does futures sell a trailer by itself?
This could give me a few different set ups
AM2 fronts with 375 rears for better drive on faster waves or when I need to make sections (may eventually get SF4 if these don't work).
AM2 fronts with AM2 rear for juicy hollow waves, to provide hold and keep in pocket
T1 512 fronts with a WCT rear (or try one of the 375 rears) as kind of an in between (kind of like the MRTFX w/ K2.1 set up)
Great info, thanks!!!!
Would also be interested in hearing more about your Stretch vs Spitfire.
Another something I found. A set of futures T1 512 front fins. Here is the template
The fins are HUGE, meant for a twin fin. Funny thing is, I have a set of probox boxes on a hanel quad fish I have with larrys fibre glas fin company fins on it. I found the absolute perfect quad fins and placement for that board. When I compare those fins to these futures 512 T1 fins, they have the exact outline!!!! I damaged one of them in past and had to quickly find a replacement until I fixed it, sure enough I found the FCS MRTX fins to be vert very close and used those as well. The point of this story is that many people have said the MR front fins work really well on the spitfire with a small trailer, as a thruster. I was bummed because my MR fins are FCS, but now I am stocked since I found another thruster set of front fins I can try.
Now I just need to figure out what rear fin people have been using with the MR twin fronts.
I don't know much about futures fins but I always thought Futures AM2 = FCS GAM, which are quite different from the FCS SF4 (Stretch) fins. GAMs and therefore I would think have a shorter base but greater rake angle...they may look to be about the same size but subtle differences in rake angle, height and base length can make quite a bit of difference in performance characteristics. I would expect the AM2s to be stiffer and draw longer arcs, but because the tip has a bit of flex they tend to release nicely in a very controlled manner (telepathically almost). But I'll say this, I think you will find they make the spitfire too stiff.
I ride FCS R2s in the spitfire with a little stabiliser and it is loose, pivotal and fast. I believe the Futures have a Rusty quad set which I think would be similar. I'd be going with that end of the spectrum of fins, good base but more upright for tighter arcs. And if you find it lacks a little bit of drive, add a little stabiliser, if you don't like that idea then choose a quad set that has a little more emphasis on drive. I used to have a Stretch F4 6'5" and I'll tell you now, you'll love the spitfire, it is a better board. I went down to a 6'0" and love it in knee high to just overhead. I tried FCS GMB quads (Q1000 80/20 rears) which are a tad looser than the FCS GAM quads (with Q1000 80/20 foiled rears) in my dom and I found them too stiff and I was getting hung up in the lip. It's possible with the extra bit of release in the GAMs it might have been better but the R2s are much looser and seem to suit my spitfire better for me.
You will need to get down to comparing area, base length, height, rake angles and tip shapes and flex characteritics...generally the manufacturer has a bit of a helpful write up for each fin set that is helpful too and gives you some general guidance in where is sits in the spectrum of stiff to loose, drivey to neutral, hold to slide and so on. Start with your AM2s and then at least you'll know whether it's too stiff/too drivey and so on.
Update, just compared the rear of my futures 375 to the stretch rear. Pretty much identical, the stretch has a very slight larger base, slight. The AM2 compared to the stretch fronts are a little longer, but the tip is more narrow. Similar sweep. I am betting that with the level of surfer I am, there is no way I could tell the difference of these 2 fin set ups. Slater could probably tell with his eyes closed.Last edited by barney; 04-26-2012, 04:42 PM.
Best fin set up for quad?I just got a 6'4" spitifire and I am an intermediate surfer, 5'11" 185 lbs. I prefers quads and fish to thrusters. Favorite board is. Stretch F4 quad 6'5" surf tech (hopefully I like the spitfire better). I was running STretch quads on that board.
I have a futures set up and a set of AM2 fronts and standard futures 375 trailers. Is that a good place to start or should I get something else? Bummer thing is all my other boards are FCS which means I can't demo my other fins with this board, which I have a lot of (MRTFX, Stretch quad, griffin G10, speed dialers, etc...).
Lol, I surf double overhead maybe once a year, maybe. It is probably only that big less this a hNd full of times per year in SoCal.
My 4 board quiver will be:
Sweet potato: small days, and beach break
Spitfire: small days to HH+ (not ideal for much overhead, but it isn't that big that much around here)
Hanel Quadfish: small days, super fast days. Works in anything point break 1' to HH
Addvance 7'6": anytime my buddies want to go longboarding and I can't talk them out of it.
No gun needed for where I surf and I don't need a board to go super agro, since that isn't my style.
I think the El Fuego and the Spitfire will have a large overlap but hey, you are now saying a 4 board quiver...definitely get yourself onto a hellfire. This things are amazing. I surfed some almost double overhead on mine for the last 2 days and it goes insane. It just does what you want it's loose but if you want to draw long lines it will if you want to hit the lip vertically and then snap it into a cutback it will do it. Full roundhouse etc. etc. it will do it. It can get a bit skatey in large lumpy stuff but once it starts to hollow out it carves on the rail as tightly as you want. It too is pretty versatile and can still surf waist high waves OK that have a bit of shape although that is where your spitfire (or el fuego) would be better.
Your next board (4th) must be a hellfire!
Anyone ridding the spit as a 5 fin?I just got a 6'4" with futures fin set up. Coming from a 6'3" Griffin Modfish, I really liked how that board could turn kind of like a thruster but fly down the line like a quad. Sort of the best of both worlds. I know the Griffin-philes will make us believe that this is ONLY possible with the G10 hand foiled 5 fin set up on a matched Griffin Modfish board, I'd like to think we could accomplish something similar.
The difference in fin placement might be an issue, as the Modfish rear fins are in a prefect row, while the Spitfire, the rear center is more towards the back. Seems like an easy solution if there is a small center fin that matches the rear quad in design, but in just a slightly more forward position, if that makes sense?
Well, I pulled the trigger. May have blown it, but we shall see. I was reading Nevs review of the El Fuego vs Dom vs Spitfire, and came to the conclusion that the El Fuego in a 6'3" is what I should be looking for, based on the fact that I am a little bit more of a front foot surfer and tend to flow vs get super vertical, etc...
Today, I threw 5 of my boards on Craigslist (just too many boards and I am trying to be more reasonable, so my goal is to go from 8 boards to 4 or 5). When I had a spare few minutes, I decided to do a statewide seach on CL for firewires. Sure enough a 6'4" Spitfire came up in my area. No other Dominator, Spitfire, el fuego or potatonator came up in a size I was close to looking for in ALL OF CALIFORNIA. So I figured I better go check it out. I ended up paying $450 for it with all 5 fins. That was his asking price (why does it seem everytime I sell something on craigslist, everyone wants and expects a significant discount, but whenever I find something I want, the seller wont budge????). Anyway, I really really like the shape. Low rocker (flatter than my Stretch and also Griffin, which might be awesome, since my Griffin seems to DIE when I put too much wt on the front). I was looking at a board to do kind of what my Griffin does but lighter and wont die with putting pressure on the front foot. Judging by the rocker and outline AS WELL AS the volume.....(I happen to find a website in asia that still lists the Griffin 5 fin modfish FireWire and the dimensions, and it looks like my Rapidfire volume is going to be very very similar to my Modfish, which I liked being able to get into waves with). I am thinking this is the board that will be just perfect for me and with the volume and optional fin set up I really think it will. One of my big reasons to get rid of so many of my boards is that I have that thing whenever I surf where I am out in the lineup and I think "Crap, maybe I should have brought the XYZ board today instead of this one". I kind of want to go back to how I was as a kid and have less boards but become really familiar with them instead of always learning and wishing I had a different one with me because the waves were slightly different than the report called for.
Will take the place of my 6'5" Stretch F4 quad Surftech, 6'3" Griffin 5 fin Modfish PU, 6'6" Al Merrick Red Beauty PU and 6'8" Al Merrick Flyer PU. Maybe Nev is right and the El Fuego would be better for me, but I am crossing my fingers I just found my magic board. Sweet Potato is still on order and a couple weeks away.
Wow, great read, wish that article was there last night. I am starting to lean El Fuego, that style is a lot how I surf. Right now my go to board is my Stretch F4. Probably because I do typically surf down the line and like the fact that you can put some wt on ur forefoot and get it moving, but at the came time have more manueverabilty than a traditional fish. The way Nev described his style is exactly what I tend to do based on my style and the waves I surf (perhaps the dominator would be the better Salt Creek or even Cottons or beach break board, but that is probably only 5-10% of my surfing).
Great write up
Thanks for the replies guys!
Regarding the AddVance, I am just looking for something with as much volume as possible without riding a long board. This is so when I go to SanO and have to surf next to the guys on 9-10 foot long boards, I at least have a chance. It really is to replace my infinity secret weapon which is 7'9" and almost 4" thick, and it is super heavy. The AddVance for me will be just to cruise and catch waves, not to be used how most others use it in replacement of a shortboard.
Dominator vs Spitfire vs El Fuego vs Potatonator, need advice!!OK guys, I am considering dramatically shrinking my quiver by selling at least 6 of my boards and picking up 3 firewires.
Here is where I am at:
I weigh about 190 lbs, 5' 10", 42 and am an intermediate surfer that needs all the help I can get paddling and getting into waves (have short arms and my fitness isn't what it once was). I get out 1 or if I am lucky 2 times a week and surf South OC, from T-Street, Cottons, uppers, lowers, middles, church and some San-O. I want to change my quiver so I have less boards, but smarter and more purposeful.
Here are the boards I currently own:
1. 6'3" Griffin 5 fin ModFish (really fun and great backside board, but if you put a slight bit of too much pressure on front, pearl city, my #2 board)
2. 6'4" Gary Hanel Quad Fish (tons of volume, really fast and fun, but it is very heavy which limits my turning ability on face)
3. 6'5" Stretch F4 quad-epoxy (probably my favorite board right now, super fast, easier to catch waves than one would think based on dems, my go to). 6' 5" x 19.5" x 2.63". 33ml volume (that seems low)
4. 6'6" Merrick Red Beauty (I thought this would be my favorite, but I love my stretch so much more, I am selling it, just doesn't suit me for some reason)
5. 6'7" Merrick Flyer only 2 1/2" thick, 19 1/2" wide. (Its a good step up board, but still not my favorite, guess I prefer speed of the quads?)
6. 6'10" Retro Twin Fish (I thought this would be the board to take to long board spots, but it is really boring, sucks backside, just really not a fan)
7. 7'9" Infinity Secret Weapon quad-epoxy (was hoping this would be a good a good alternative to 9'+ longboard, and it is, but it still just has way to much volume and weight.
8. 9' long board tri-fin (hate longboards, for sale)
I already have a 5'10" sweet potato on order for Small days EVERYWHERE
Strongly considering getting a 7'6" AddVance to replace boards 6, 7, and 8. For CHURCH and SanO
Want to order a Dom, Spit, EF or Potatonator to replace boards 3, 4, and 5. For CHURCH, MIDDLES, Lowers, Uppers and T. Any one of these 4 boards should be pretty similar in performance to boards 3,4,5 they would replace and be shorter while also having more volume. I don't need a ton of rocker, and with having a sweet potato, Griffin Mod Fish and a Hanel Quad Fish already, this would be my "high performance board", even though I am not a super vertical or agro surfer.
Here are my initial thoughts. Would like something that has pretty good performace, has good volume and gets into waves easier than boards 3,4,5.
Potatonator-probably not a ton different than my sweet potato, and not a "high (enough) performance" board to be the only one in my quiver. probably less fin configurations since it sounds like it is only to be used as a quad. or a quad + 1. 6' or 6'2" (40-44 L)
Dominator-seems to have a lot of volume and pretty good performer as well. could be used as 3/4/5 fin. 6'4" or 6'6" (40-45 L)
Spitfire-sounds like the volume and rocker are same as Dominator, but more high performance rear rails to make it perform better. could be used as 3/4/5 fin. 6'4" or 6'6" (41.5 to 45 L)
El Fuego-wouldn't get the swallow, but not sure what the big difference would be between this board and the Dominator or the Spitfire. Anyone can give me some help? 6'3" to 6'5" (40 to 45 L)
Could even get the lost Sub-Scorcher in 6'4" and 40 L
Can anyone give me opinion on my situation and what the advantages would be of each of these 4 or 5 boards? I am leaning towards the Spitfire since it sounds a little more high performance and mostly using it as a quad to replace my Stretch F4, and maybe have the ability to use it on bigger days as a Thruster to replace my 2 Merricks.
I plan on keeping at least my Hanel Quad and Griffin ModFish, and getting rid of the rest and getting the 3 firewires, so I only have a total of 5 boards instead of 8.
Just ordered a 5'10" rapidfire (couldn't pass up the killer bamboo deck) with FCS. Was not sure whether to go FCS or Futures, then I went and looked at my boards. All of them except my Flyer are FCs, not only that but of the FCs fins I already have a set of Stretch F4 (since I already have an F4 board) and a set of Mark Richard TFX (on my hanel fish), I also have FCS plugs in my Griffin Modfish with his hand foiled G10 fins. The rear fin looks a lot like the Future controller fin, would be really interesting to see how these Griffin fins work on the potato, some people absolutely sware by them. Looks like I have at least 3 sets of fins to play with and get this thing dialed in.
Thanks for the help guys, i think I am leaning towards a 5'10" then, still a lot of volume but should be workable? Then maybe an ADDVance in a 7'6" length to battle the longboards at those spots.
Now I just need to figure if I go FST or not?
can't decide on sizeI have read a lot of posts here and I still can't decide on size. I am about 200 lbs, 42 years old, surf south Orange County, but want a board that I can take out to San Onofre and Church when my buddies want to be lazy and ride long boards. I HATE long boards so I am looking for something smaller that can still catch waves early and have fun with. I have pretty short arms and am not in super great shape, typically get out 1-2 times a week, depending on conditions and work. I was at first going to just go for the 6'4" based on the volume and where I would be taking this board, but a buddy of mine is telling me that will be way to big and I won't beable to surf rail to rail at all based on the volume. I am not a really aggressive or vertical surfer so fishy type boards work well for me. I am sure I could get away with a 5'8" or 5'10" at Upper or Lower Trestles where everyone else is riding short, but for a longboard spot, will this thing get me into waves super early like a long board? Something tells me that a long board with similar volume will still have a huge advantage based on the planing surface area, is that right?
Here is a list of My current boards so you get an idea what I have and how much volume I am use to:
6'3" Griffin 5 fin ModFish (really fun and great backside board, but if you put a slight bit of too much pressure on front, pearl city, my #2 board)
6'4" Gary Hanel Quad Fish (tons of volume, really fast and fun, but it is very heavy which limits my turning ability on face)
6'5" Stretch F4 quad-epoxy (probably my favorite board right now, super fast, easier to catch waves than one would think based on dems, my go to)
6'6" Merrick Red Beauty (I thought this would be my favorite, but I love my stretch so much more, I am selling it, just doesn't suit me for some reason)
6'7" Merrick Flyer (Its a good step up board, but still not my favorite, guess I prefer speed of the quads?)
6'10" Retro Twin Fish (I thought this would be the board to take to long board spots, but it is really boring, sucks backside, just really not a fan)
7'9" Infinity Secret Weapon quad-epoxy (was hoping this would be a good a good alternative to 9'+ longboard, and it is, but it still just has way to much volume and weight.
9' long board tri-fin (hate longboards, for sale)
My motto for this board is to try and get on waves as early as I can, but I am still not sure I can battle the longboarders out there.