At last we got moved and I got to pick up my 604 Dominator . I went with the Rusty 5 fin set . As allways happens when I by a new board the wind has howled from every direction possible so the ocean looks like the inside of a washing machine. When the wind lays down enough or at least picks a direction for a few days we should have a swell ... can't wait !
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Originally posted by buzzy View PostI use PC7's as a thruster on the same board at the same weight and like it. I have some controller type quads from Indo Fins which I still haven't tried out but if I get a 1-2 foot and mushy day over the next few days I'll use them and report. IO just got my stitches out and itching to get in a surf before I'm landlocked for a week over Xmas in Melbourne Australia.
#1). Snorkel GBR , I've always wanted to do that.
#2). Grander Black Marlin release .
Funny thing is I grew up in a small town on the east coast of Florida called Melbourne Beach.
Iggy, It's nice to get "lost" for a period of time but it's good to come back to the beach.
I weigh 200 right now I expect to lose 15 pounds or so . The surf in Florida is mostly sandbar breaks although Sebastian inlet is only 30 minutes away it's kind of a baby wedge . The jetty angles to the southeast so any east or northeast swell causes the waves to bounce off the jetty and create a wedge of incoming wave and the bounced wave .
Slowman , I'm jumping up and down to get moved and can't wait to get back in the water.
Don't get me wrong I'm stoked to have this board ready and waiting for when I pull into town.
not sure why you think I am overcome with emotion, I told you pretty squarely that I was frustrated with the generalizations of your statements and then backed everything up that I had to say with evidence and not just ramblings. I think that in a lot of cases, people in your position tend to latch on to the bad posts which are in the far minority and to me asking what the "real deal" is implies that there is some kind of intentional misleading.
I understand your desire to gather information for sure, i would do it as well, but take a step back and look at the way you worded your inquiry. To me, if i were a first time user of the forum reading your post I would think "woah" what is going on.
As a result, its my job to stand up for both sides of the argument.
Thanks for your understanding.
I'm still not sure what statement I made but I was asking in the frame of a new customer what is the real deal ie ... are these complaints just customers that pushed the envelope to far or mistreated the board and the board delamed /creased or is there a design issue? I certainly didn't mean to imply that you or any rep of FW misled anyone. If I had thought that I damn sure wouldn't have bought the board in the first place. I don't do business with those types never have never will.
Now that being said , I'll take the heat for not being clear in my question. All is well.
I got the info I was looking for , no hard feelings.
Originally posted by iggy View PostNo problem buddy, we are ALL here to help, that's the purpose of this forum.
I had a 5'10" dominator and thet board gave me lots of fun rides. Hope you enjoy yours. Is it coming with FCS pr FUTURES??
So lets see, after leaving the "hermit life" at the mountains...
Board has been ordered, beard has been trimmed... Now you just need some fins ad off you go!!
The board is coming with futures, I was on the edge with going 6'4" or 6'2" but when I'm honest with myself I think 6'4" is the way to go. Also the 6'4" Koa Dom is in stock and has my name on it !!
Ha , I'm not that far back in the mountains.
Board is in stock , facial hair is gone ,sold all of my camo to pay for the Dom HA.
Still up in air on which fins. Florida has it's moments like hurricane surf can be 2X overhead but 99.9% of the time chest to head high sandbar breaks.
let me ask rhetorically, "what's the deal with the incessant creasing, snapping and tail cancer of PU boards?" I know its a stupid question, but I ask it with a serious intention.
First off there is nowhere on the internet that people can get together and gripe about PU technology as a whole. people adopt it because its what has been around. Firewire is the ONLY board of its kind. Yes its EPS but it is much more than that. As a result, anyone who has an issue comes to our forum. We have sold 10s of thousands of boards, are growing and there are very few pieces of negative feedback when you consider how many boards we have out there. We give every Firewire user a means to express good and bad experiences and are frequently taken advantage of (more later). There is NO place that gives every PU user the place to commend or complain.
Secondly, is Firewire perfect? No. Have we produced lemons? Yes. We are, in reality, about 5 years old and are the number 2 selling board in many regions, and the number 1 selling board in some others (obviously we sell worse in places as well, but not many). my point here is we have climbed to be one of the top board manufacturers in the world in 5 years. So I ask you, if we had major issues pertaining to your questions would we be where we are? No....
Thirdly, Firewire had two team riders in the top 7 surfers on the world tour and the World Longboard Champion rides for us. would these guys put their livelihood in the hands of our boards if they weren't reliable. the short answer is an emphatic NO WAY....
if you want to know the truth, i personally am let down by the shortsightedness of your question and my gut reaction is to tell you that Firewire may not be the brand for you. Many posts on our forum are from users who buckle a board that is 2 years old, or get a delam after driving down under, in the summer, with their board on the roof. when they publicly post that something like this happens, i get their info and deal with it over email. when i uncover user error, or a buckle in 8 foot surf, or a delam after leaving a board on the beach, or a snap after a board took on water with no ding, i NEVER come out to say that "ohh this customer did this" or "this customer did that." in my opinion, that is not my job.
The reason I say Firewire may not be for you is because our boards are not indestructible. They can ding, they can snap, they can delam OR they can last far longer than sanded finish PU if taken care of. The problem is, when you speak with blanket statements and have unreal expectations, then the recipe for trouble is born. If you buckle a board in hollow 4 ft surf 8 months from now, 12 months from now, 16 months from now, are you going to be mad at us? if the answer is yes, then you want a PU because no one is surprised when they ding, delam or buckle their PU.
I made NO blanket statement . I asked a question concerning my investment .
If I do something stupid or get dumped on a heavy wave and the board breaks I can accept that, stuff happens. Yes I have broken boards.
The testament to Firewire is that we have excellent customer service, we stand by our product and our boards ride ridiculously well. Ask anyone. After reading your post, however, I am left with the feeling that you are pointing your finger at us without experiencing Firewire for yourself. That is why I have taken the time to respond in this manner. Please understand this wasn't written in anger, just frustration...
I understand your frustration , I don't think dumping it all on me was was the right way to handle it but whatever.
iggy and prjwebb thank you for respoonding in a reasonable fashion that was the info I was looking for.
Chris , My deposit remains in place and I look forward to the new Dom.
OK , So what's the "real deal"I don't want to start what apparently turned into a b!tch fest on the old forum but, whats the real deal with the de-lamination/crease issue or is there a " real " issue.
I know that dimpeling in the foot area is normal even on a 4 + 6 deck but delam and creasing is new to me . I haven't had a new board since clark went out of business so I'm intersted in the longevity of the new cores and glass durability.
I just put a deposit on a new dominator ( arbor Koa ) totally stoked then found the issues on the old forum and now less stoked and more worried . I don't want to pay a premium price and wind up with delamination / crease issues.
Like I said , I don't want to start a pissing contest but I'd like to know what the real scoop is before it's too late.
mrees , Thanks great info.
As far as the dominator ... I can't wait to get it in the water.
OK guys I just put a deposit on a 6'4" Koa dominator. I will discuss fins and set-up when I finally get there ....7 weeks . So keep the set-up info comming.
Hey Chris , What i think I want is a quad and then as you say a thruster for bigger surf, but a quad would be fine for now. Quad should work up to head high maybe a little over head correct ? Hurricane swells or big choppy nor-easter swell I would want more bite and stability.
Yes it has futures boxes.
I want to have some looseness , but primarily snap out of the turns . When I first get back in the water I imagine I'll be trying to generate speed first and get myself set up for some mild turns just to get the muscles , reflexes and coordination working right again.
Sounds like I'll go with the 6'4" with the Koa deck ....
Now , Fins and setup.
As buzzy said Florida is not known for big surf. So chest to head high is a good day. It gets bigger but that is usually storm ( hurricane or big noreaster ) surf. So most days are just small and fun.
Any suggestions on fin type / set up?
Buzzy the guy at the local shop was recommending a 6'4" Dom.
Hey Chris thanks for the input !
Along time ago I used fishtail fins ( I case you're too young to remeber those they were a urethane sheath over a fiberglass spine ) they gave you that little extra energy comming out of a turn so maybe that's a similar feel.
My normal weight should be around 185. So I would like to target that for the volume weight.
The local dealer has a 6'4" Koa Dominator and 6'2" Dominator non Koa. don't know if there is a durability difference . My favorite board of the many I had was a 6'2" so I like that lenght fo rthe smallish FL surf.
Want to get back in the water need advice...First off hello to all !
My name is Mike , I grew up surfing on the east coast of Florida ( until my mid 40's ) . Decided to try living in the mountains ( been here 7yrs )... not what I expected so now I'm moving back and want to get back in the water.
I'm 51 years old and in resonable shape, 6'1" 200 lbs. ( usually 185 pounds in the summer )
So now I have some questions ....
1). I grew up surfing the standard surfboard materials , foam and fiberglass . how much different is the feel in the water of polystyrene and epoxy ?
2). I ran the volume calculator and depending on the weight I enter ( 200 or 185 ) I get different volume suggestions which is understandable but, I don't want to over volume myself as I progressively get in better shape. I have been looking real hard at the Dominator in the 6'2" or 6'4" . just not sure which one. Leaning toward the 6'2" so as I get in better shape and drop some weight the fit will be better.
3). How is the durability of the new materials ?
Thanks gang ,can't wait to get back,