Yeah the Hellfire probably was a bit too big
I remember the salesman wanted to put me on a 6'0
Another trial and error board
I guess thats why the Demo boards are so beneficial
Really glad i had a chance to demo the Hellrazor
i think i might bite the bullet and grab one
5'8 Dominator
6'1 Flexfire (Round Tail)
hey core - great response! Thanks.
wandi rode a 5'10 HF and demo'd a 5'11 Razor...this would be the exact same in proportion to me riding my 5'6 HF and contemplating a 5'7 Razor. Again, I have been working my way down in size and volume as my skills have progressed and maybe my 5'6 HF is slightly on the high end of volume especially if I go with a 5'7 Razor. Like you said there should be a couple of inches between my HF and HR.
This is all new to me so I am trying to get my brain around it and what it feels like to have the best volumed board for me and be "light and nimble under foot."
What does that feel/surf like?
I feel like I have progressed very well on my Hellfire, which I have only had for about 2 months, and maybe it's time to push my surfing a little more with less volume and a bit more performance oriented board.
My previous board was a 5'6 Spitfire (28.3L) and obviously had too much volume but going down to the 5'6 HF (24.5L) was a relatively easy transition.
I am wondering if the transition down to a 5'7 Razor (22.7L) will be as easy while still catching plenty of waves in the thigh to head high range? My goal is to progress my surfing and given my height and weight it seems like the 5'7 Razor could be a very good option. Thoughts?
5'3 (160cm), 140lbs (63kg)
46 years young
5'6 Chubby Chedda FST w/ FCS
AM3 thrusters, K 2.1 thrusters
I think my fitness levels also had a great deal with me growing out of the Hellfire 5'10 as well
At the time of purchase it actually felt like a perfect and comfortable fit but during the last year or so i have stepped up my fitness levels
Spurred from a conversation with a portugese friend
He asked me what i did to prepare for surf if i was going to be out of the water for a week or so
I think my reply was watching surf vids ha ha
As expected levels of expertise rise when fitness levels increase as well as dropping board volumes
So i think to answer your question you have to ask yourself if your going to be comfortable and are your fitness levels up to riding a low volume board
If yes then there is no reason why not. Its good to push your surfing every now and then
5'8 Dominator
6'1 Flexfire (Round Tail)
"light and nimble under foot."
What does that feel/surf like?.......
by light and nimble i mean you can articulate your board and also set rails without having to get your whole weight over the part of board your pushing...that would take too long on every movement if your trying to surf fast and loose like sl8ter......you should be able to move around with your feet/ankles/toes, not need whole body weight and thigh strength for even small corrections.....an example of me at the moment on the MB is with the weight drop i'm not able to take off deep and steep on my forehand very well.... my rear toes dont seem to have the strength to immediately dig my rail in and drive...i have to get up, stick my toes over the rail and lean into it....by this time i should already be over on my heels into the next pump...this usually means missing the section, getting through too late to belt it or just wiping out like a kook....i even had trouble doing this on my HF yesterday..(went out light, empty stomach and only wearing budgie smugglers for further lightness..!!)... also noticed too much resistance pushing back under my front foot/nose of board...thats like having the hand-brake on..!!....now, it's not just a weight issue....a trim guy with huge low slung calves and feet like a hobbit wont have as much trouble...myself on the other hand, have puny little high calves like a Kenyan marathon runner... without the weight assistance to overpower the board, i'm finding out just how weak my lower legs are....(off for a soft sand run followed by calf raises with the wife on my shoulders..!)..
waffled a lot there trying to illustrate the "feel", and the causes.....hope it came accross okay....
hard to pinpoint the volume you need in different boards at your weight...not much experience down that end of the scales..!!.. also your height/leverage and as we now understand, your leg strength..... maybe the bantam weights on the forum can "weigh" in here........see what i did there.... "weigh" in... i made a funny...!!!!
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VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
Wow, I just learned a lot from this one single post.
Nice one Core, thanks man.
5.10 Futura - What else do I need?
5.5 Baked Potato - Well ok, I need this.
5.11 El Fuego - Oh ok, just one more.
6'1"@whopping 150LBS
Mediocre surfer, ie; typical.
* XM Clear Grip as a wax alternative.
I thought it was actually called 'Carving' a turn but now Core has enlightened us, I think maybe it should be called 'Calving' a turn! Nice explanation Core, made sense of stuff that happens without having to think about it now after 46 years of repetition. My calves have fallen with age and are now actually under the soles of my feet. DSC02153.jpg 'Calving' a top turn, Central Atolls Maldives, May 2012, Hellfire 6/4. Shapers Quad E fronts, FCS carbon M7 rear, Thruster config.
Last edited by Piha Local; 11-10-2012 at 05:49 PM.
82kg's, 61 yrs : 6/4 Unibrow [new best board ever!] 6/0 Potatonator FST. 6/4 Hellfire FST. 6/8 Alternator FST. 8/6 Flexflight FST. [Previously owned boards, Dom 6/2 and Flexfire 6/6 & 7/2] Fins: Shapers Quad E, Stretch S4 plastic glass-flex? [useless construction, too soft, get PC's] Indofins Controllers, Indofins Rastas, FCS Carbon Lite M7's.
Well, not to give weird advice or anything, but due to the nature of my very high arches and having had flip flops at work every day on concrete floors, I had to break down and get shoes with arch support.
I chose MBTs which are known to give ladies that nicely shaped toush. However what they have given me were calves.
So we are around the same age group-ish, give or take a decade :)
I would suggest MBTs as your daily work shoe, benefits will be reaped.
5.10 Futura - What else do I need?
5.5 Baked Potato - Well ok, I need this.
5.11 El Fuego - Oh ok, just one more.
6'1"@whopping 150LBS
Mediocre surfer, ie; typical.
* XM Clear Grip as a wax alternative.
aurf....my toush could do with reshaping....its down the same place as piha's calves....
piha....good to see you on the red wine again mate....!!!!..... oh, and nice backhand spray....yeeeewwwwwww
i only thought about what normally happens automatically because it wasnt happening automatically anymore...thought losing weight would be a help....turns out, without the weight, i dont have the power i thought i did..... oh well, back on the pies..!!
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INSTAGRAM .... corepersonaltraining
6ft..90ish kg..35+ years surfing
WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD,*WHERE'S MY VANGUARD.... ETC
IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED,
IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED,
IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT,
IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE,
IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE
SWEET POTATO--- R/F -- 5'4 -------------------------- fins controllers
VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
_DSC9115 - 2012-05-17 at 11-50-41.jpg
Meat Pie and Red Wine assisted bottom turn. Inside Mikados, Central Atolls, Maldives. [61 year old calves in going condition[just!]
"[i only thought about what normally happens automatically because it wasnt happening automatically anymore..[/QUOTE]" Core.
Yep Core, that is the way of all flesh, and eventually I guess it will lead us all down that soggy well worn path to Viagra!
And yes again, Shot In The Dark Shiraz/Petite Sirah 2008, very nice drop from your very own NSW area.
Aurf-- that is weird advice indeed buddy--- I've heard it starts first with wearing women's shoes, then next comes the dresses and then the under---- think I'd better stop now.
Last edited by Piha Local; 11-11-2012 at 07:23 PM.
82kg's, 61 yrs : 6/4 Unibrow [new best board ever!] 6/0 Potatonator FST. 6/4 Hellfire FST. 6/8 Alternator FST. 8/6 Flexflight FST. [Previously owned boards, Dom 6/2 and Flexfire 6/6 & 7/2] Fins: Shapers Quad E, Stretch S4 plastic glass-flex? [useless construction, too soft, get PC's] Indofins Controllers, Indofins Rastas, FCS Carbon Lite M7's.
Thanks for the introspective Piha.
I was just about to put on my wifes mini.
5.10 Futura - What else do I need?
5.5 Baked Potato - Well ok, I need this.
5.11 El Fuego - Oh ok, just one more.
6'1"@whopping 150LBS
Mediocre surfer, ie; typical.
* XM Clear Grip as a wax alternative.
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