Am about to purchase one of these in a 6'2
my local firewire retailer has two bourez's that he surfs and says they surf better than
the hellfire in lesser conditions and claims due to bottom shape the bourez is much
more forgiving and stable than the hellfire when conditions are less than perfect
anyone out there thats ridden both have a view on this? core?
any info much appreciated, cheers
hmmmmm....its the other way around mate....thats advice sounds odd...the MB is a full HP board...its outline and thickness/foil make it more stable than the taj but its still a full tilt board...the hellfire has a low rocker and width which both help low end work....it still goes nuts in HP waves though....i would not look at both in 602...ride the MB at or preferably a notch below your standard shooter...ride the HF as small as you can...i ride 602 to 604 HP's...i should ride a 600 MB and i ride a 510 HF...
i'm still in testing with the MB...been out of the water with one thing after another...only had a few surfs on each thickness...had crap to ok waves 2 to 6ft+, but nothing with really good shape or a long enough wall to find my feet...i got it to blow up on one wave which was a gift of a wave, but i'm still trying to work it out in lesser surf...
in a nutshell....and against that shops advice..(everyone's entitled to an opinion though)...hellfire in almost anything...MB in better waves.....
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SWEET POTATO--- R/F -- 5'4 -------------------------- fins controllers
VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
Thanks for the response
can get a hold of a demo MB this weekend and there should be waves
will be using it for better waves so i'll see how she goes
yeah silentp and core, god stuff.
I actually know what the sales guy was trying to say to some degree. I personally struggle to surf the Hellfire because it does feel a little tippy at times. I think this is a result of the rocker and the bottom contours. this makes it a dream of a hybrid, but for some people and their styles, it can be hard to surf like a shortboard. I know while I was on it I kept trying to surf it like a shortboard and found i had to keep shifting my weight back to get the board to work right.
I know the board goes insane but it does feel different than a shortboard, and at times, it can even feel a little bit more difficult to surf.
Since yiou can try the Michel, GREAT!!! that will make it easy. I will also say, however, that you should take the salesman's with a bit of a grain of salt because while the Hellfire may not work for him, it might work great for you.
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Got hold of the demo MB 6'2 thick today (what the!? I think this is cores old board, has the shark deterrent eye)
anyway went out in head high plus mushburgers with the odd steep clean sections to build speed and
as bad as conditions looked it was a good test for this board with opportunity to hit the lip and plenty of cutback
sections on offer. actually felt super solid laying into cutbacks, very impressed.
I havent ridden a proper HP shortboard for a couple of years so am certainly not an authority on them but at
86kg 6'1 injury niggles nearly 50 faarrk this seems to work for me,im guessing it should go nuts in good waves.
Having said that the shops got a 6'2 hellfire demo before I decide
Also thanks Core and Chris for your feedback
wow...eye on bottom and "NOW" on deck???..where was it at???...yeah check the hellfire too....although that's a bit big for a hellfire for you if you "fit" a 6'2 HP board...
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WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD,*WHERE'S MY VANGUARD.... ETC
IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED,
IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED,
IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT,
IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE,
IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE
SWEET POTATO--- R/F -- 5'4 -------------------------- fins controllers
VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
Yeh thats the board, shop brought it up from the goldy to coolum thats all I know
Hey I look at those sub 6'2 shortboards and start getting noivous!
Im reasonably fit but not that fit!!
ha...my board gets around..!!.. yeah i was freaking when Nev talked me into a 510 as my shortboard replacement ....until i rode it...!!...if i remember, Nev was freaking when he paddled his out first go too....until he rode it...........we have to shut out our "old" ideas on boards, because design has moved ahead....plus as we approach old age we have to experience these loose free boards before we sign up for lawn bowls....!!!
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6ft..90ish kg..35+ years surfing
WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD,*WHERE'S MY VANGUARD.... ETC
IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED,
IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED,
IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT,
IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE,
IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE
SWEET POTATO--- R/F -- 5'4 -------------------------- fins controllers
VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
yeah agree it wasnt that long ago I was riding "big boys boards" and "paddles like a mal surfs like a shortboard" boards
then I discovered firewire... sheesh 5'10 is a small board maybe a 6'0 maybe i've had too many reds
yeah i was thinking the 6'0 for you as a "milder" step down in length...during the 90's i stepped up off the early thick wide flatish 6'0 thrusters we all rode...i rode only 6'6 bananas/kick tails (Nev's of course..!)...rode then in everything from 1ft slop to scary....only adjustments were outline and rail edge...then during the 00's as rockers came back to sensible, Nev got me back down to 6'2-6'3 standard shortboards..rode nothing else...now when we thought we would be aging onto mini-mals we have all these exciting new ways to feel totally free and unrestricted on a wave...we cant sit on the sidelines crying injury and decrepitude and watch it go by...we have to have a go....i have some struggle sessions when my backs playing up..(more and more often), but the good sessions and even individual waves and turns that you previously only did when mind surfing make it so worth it.....
ok i'll shut up now...it seems Nev's unending froth is rubbing off on me...
INSTAGRAM .... corepersonaltraining
6ft..90ish kg..35+ years surfing
WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD, WHERE'S MY VANGUARD,*WHERE'S MY VANGUARD.... ETC
IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED, IT'S GETTING SPRAYED,
IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED, IT'S BEEN SPRAYED,
IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT, IT'S IN TRANSIT,
IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE, IT'S HERE,
IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE, IT'S HAD A BAPTISM OF FIRE
SWEET POTATO--- R/F -- 5'4 -------------------------- fins controllers
VANGUARD -------- WRF -- 5'6 ------------------------- fins futures ea blackstix..may test something a little bigger and stiffer
HELLFIRE ----------- R/F -- 5'10 ------------------------ fins futures SA3,SA4 honeycomb
FLEXFIRE ----------- R/F -- 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 ------ fins futures JC honeycomb
MICHEL BOUREZ------------6'2 --thick then thin ------- fins futures JC honeycomb, AM2 techflex heavy chop, ea b/stix at 84kg, now testing AM2 hex
ALTERNATOR ------ R/F -- 6'4--for bad back days---- fins futures JC honeycomb
and countless others (mostly nev's)
youngest grommet 45kgs throws my hellfire around with SA3's or in mush uses EA (techflex "cuz they look da bomb") and deviant
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