6 foot...85-90kg...30+ years surfing . . . FLEXFIRE 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 and others (mostly nev's)

Chito

5'8 FST Hellfire

Surfed In Costa Rica in every condition.

Super dredgy Beachbreak Primarily

Almost all of previous surfing experience is on a 6'2 FlexFire

So most comparisons are too that.

So I've now had my hellfire for almost 2 weeks and I am at least going to try and describe how awesome this board is, its going to be hard through just words since the stoke this thing provides is just insane and cant easily be expressed.

I wrote a short review of the board in the main Hellfire thread in the forum but I figured that now with the whole section dedicated to "Hellfire" is would start a new thread titled appropriately.

Board In General: This Board is.....cant find a word good enough, sorry. But what I can tell you along with the 3 people I have allowed to ride my board is that it is stupidly fast. I feel that each time I pump the board i get a speed increase of about 10000% compared to however fast I was going before I pumped.

Also It absolutely loves the barrel, the chimed rail really holds good in steep waves even when they have size. Surfed it in head high dredgy beachbreak and It went great, sure I had some sketchy drops since its a 5'8 haha but it easily handled me elevatoring into the pit, pulling in and getting totally pitted. Surfed it one time in 8-9 ft reef/beach waves one time and it also went fine. I know that a 5'8 board with this shape isn't meant for waves of that size but I didn't have anything else, so I took her out and the only thing I felt could have been better was that the rail line wasnt long enough for the waves so my board was chattering like crazy when I was dropping in and bottom turning but the speed I was getting.....the speed....holy f*ck. I think everyone that gets one of these board should take it out in big surf just to feel how fast it goes. And finally the last thing I would like to touch on is the performance aspect of just the board alone. This thing loves to go above the lip, loves it when you really put it on rail and push hard off the tail, on roundhouses if you are surfing the board correctly it will shoot you back into the foam and make it super easy to transition out of a turn. You can go square off the bottom and blow the whole tail out super easy ( caught me by surprise the first couple of times) but If you can handle that kind of maneuver it really makes it easier. Another VERY IMPORTANT note is that this board is built to be surfed off the tail, I used to be a front footed surfer up until about last week, and the board still worked good for me for the first week I had it when I was still trying to surf it off my front foot, but once I was using mainly my back foot it just blew everything up, So for future Hellfire Owners as well as current ones, remember to use your back foot if you are not already and you will see what I'm talking about.

Quad Setup: As I mentioned in my previous post I had used the Hellfire with H3-Nexus front fins and some random trailer fins that have a similar outline to the k2.1 quad set trailer. I found this setup to be a little odd, It was INSANELY fast, like ridiculous, but a little slow in their response. I figure that this is due in part to the large amounts of flex that the H3's have and possibly also to the contrasting foils of the two sets of fins. I could see this setup maybe being good for a long point break style wave where you have a lot of time and the wave is maybe more forgiving, I could see how in those conditions this type of fin combination might work.

I Have also tried the Hellfire as a quad with K3 front fins and the same back fins mentioned above and well... wow just wow. For small waves, which supposedly the hellfire doesn't go good in ( I totally disagree), these fins thrive. surfed this setup a couple of times both in mushy and dredgy small waves. The time I surfed it in High tide, Backwash infested, morning sickness plagued waves...it went great! was able to get alot of speed out of places in the wave where normally you would just bog and found it really easy to flow through sections and the board really had a good balance between being loose but still easily holding a rail. The time I surfed it in more powerful waves, 2-3ft sand suckers, it was insane. suuuuper fast, loved the barrel and was just all around good.

The only thing I didn't like too much about this board as a quad, and its nothing with the board, more of a fin problem, was that it tracks. This is just due to the fins I know, quad setups tend to do that but on some turns I felt it really hard to bring the board around and get it to switch direction.

Thruster setup: So now on to the thruster setup, and personally my favorite setup with this board, there is nothing really bad for me to say so I'll just get on with the good stuff. Ridden this board with the H3-Nexus fins as well as the K3 fins, both went unreal in the board but there were some subtle differences that I could feel between the two. With the H3's the board was really, really, really loose. Im talking like surfing on butter. My first wave on the board with these fins was a left (backside) and when I went to bottom turn and being used to having to draw it out, it turned at like a 100 degree angle throwing me up into the lip at an angle somewhere past vertical and I seriously freaked myself out. It took me a bit to fine tune it and once I did It was insane since the board itself makes you feel like your going at light speed since its so blisteringly fast and these fins as well are about the fastest fins I have ever used so combined I found myself always travelling at supersonic speeds. The board also has a ton of release with its wide diamond tail it really likes to bust out of the lip and the fins complement this as well. I would say that If you are a real shredder like, can easily bust big punts and stick them and can pull off all the new maneuvers and are looking to buy a hellfire but are wondering what fins you should get, H3's are the ones for you, although the price tag is a bit high they really are amazing fins.

Now on to the K3s, I use these the most in the board since I consider it mainly a thruster and while I am more of a vertical surfer than old school cruising, the H3's are just a little too hardcore for me right now but I do look forward to using them once I get a long point break wave where I can really focus on my turns and stuff. The K3s though are just PERFECT for all the rest of us that are just starting to land our airs and haven't gotten in to doing rotations and all that yet. These fins plus this board really find a good balance where they can easily be surfed at a very high level but are also super forgiving for the average person, the board is still really fast and while not as loose as the H3's they are more than loose enough to blow the tail out of the lip and get a good tail slide going on when you want to. Been surfing this setup almost exclusively for the last week or more and the board as well as the fins have met every expectation I had and surpassed them.

Chito

Nev made a bold statement when he said that It is his favorite board above all others but now I have had it under my feet and been able to get some time on it, I can fully understand why he said that. If you get this board in waves big or small, clean or choppy whatever, as long as they have some power this board really goes unreal.

Demo one of these things as soon as you can, get it in some decent surf and you will be running back to the shop to buy one or put one on hold until your next pay check arrives!

Make sure to ride the right size, dont be afraid to go small since I can tell you straight up that the 5'8 I have has a lot of volume through out the whole board and floats me more than my 6'2 Flexfire and catches waves remarkably earlier than it as well.

Ok Ive written a ton, so for all of you that manage to make it to the bottom of this post congratulations!

Hope I was able to educate you on Hellfireology and awnser any questions you had about the board.

Cheers from Costa Rica!

kdropin

nice review... might try to sell my alternator and get a hellfire... (once i pay for my sweet potato)

Chito

yeaa! I hear ya though I want a SP, a spit and like 2 other FW boards haha, just have to get them 1 at a time though.

Canadianboy

Yea Chito has been killing it on his new HF, thing looks super sweet

Chito

Had an amazing session on my Hellfire this morning, waves were not the best but I was killing it.

Always a good feeling when all your buddies say that you are surfing the best they have ever seen you surf.

stooooked!

chris

Hey Chito,

Really appreciate you taking the time to write that feedback. That type of testimony is really helpful when people come online with questions and it passes on the good vibe and really contributes to our forum community. keep the words coming!!!

Cheers,

Chris

nn67

I have ridden my 6'6" hellfire now five times first surf I rode it with quad controllers and it had great speed however it did not like to go vertical and was getting a bit caught up on the lip also probably due to getting to know the board. Next four surf I changed the fins to a future blackstick JC thruster set up and this changed everything it absolutely goes in all types of waves and every very look and still heaps of drive. You have to really drive off your back foot and everything really comes together. Too all you heavy weights out there like me I am 105kgs and this board floats me just how it was intended, you have to make more of an effort as it is a performance board for 3ft+, I came of a sweet potato 5'10' and a EL Feugo 6'5" which was my major concern about floatation the HF it is not as easy as catching waves like the EF and thats not a bad thing as long as you are in close to a good position you can paddle in quite easily without taking late drops. The other thing between the EF and the HF by dropping volume is you generate more speed with the HF out of your turns instead of relaxing with the EF so once again a bit more effort needed with the HF but you will be rewarded with maneuvers you have been thinking about for years. Hey Core and FW Fan had some nice waves yesterday over the hill from where I live its the right not the left me and one other for the late.

Chito

Nice one nn67! yea my brother is a bigger guy and has been considering getting a HF as well, Ill have him read this.

I got the same feeling your talking about with the quad, was super fast down the line and for long drawn out turns, but It cant go vert at all.

I feel though that the HF takes late drops really good and paddles suuper good. waaaay better than a shortboard.

Cheers

FW - Fan

yeah nn67 ! good to catch up the other day .. it got better and better that day but I was a tad shady from the night before just quietly... had some nice waves back there yesterday and today ... bit of size around but board I was on yesterday suffered badly from wrong fin choice ... so I hear what you were saying re the fins..it's incredible how they change a boards performance !! changed back to my regular fins today and problem solved !!

Chito

Going on a surf trip day after tomorrow to go surf some right hand points down here in CR. Have a swell forecast of 14 foot @ 18 seconds.

the boards I plan on taking are a 5'8 Hellfire and a 6'2 Flexfire.

Don't think the Flexfire is going to get wet haha.

Can't wait to see how this thing goes in some massive surf.

I'll be sure to get some pictures and If I'm lucky maybe even a video.

Cheers from CR

iggy

Pics!!!!!!.
You will be putting that hellfire to the limit if forecast stand its word

chris

yes!!! pics AND a video are required.

yeah chito!

corepersonaltraining

hi fw and nn...what i miss??...only had a couple of surfs lately with back and knee niggles...and am doing an "fw" and playing with fins, so kooking out even more..!!...

how stoked is chito....yeeeeeeeeeew

Chito

Well I never made it to the point breaks.

A blown head gasket on the car stood between us and epic, macking surf.

I heard plenty about it though......

I was able to snag some well over head ( 7-8 ft) beachbreak surf on the HF though and It went good, obviously there was a bit of rail chatter going on and I had to hang on for dear life with my feet but in hindsight since the board never spun out, bogged down or did anything other than vibrate really hard when I reached warp speed Im stoked on the HF's performance in big surf.

Im sure It will handle much larger point break waves too since they dont have the sucky dredgyness that Beachies do.

chris

ahh bummer to hear of the hangup Chito. keep us posted though.

Chito

Massive storm came in tonight along with a massive swell

offshore's started blowing and when me and my buddy went to check the surf we were greeted with 10-12 foot bombs wrapping from around the point and into the beach break.

Having lent my friend my 6'2 Flexfire and having no other boards I had to use the 5'8 Hellfire. Paddling out and the whole time leading up to my first wave I was reaaally skeptical that the rail line and size of the thing were going to be enough to handle the size but I was pleasantly surprised.

Had a 7 foot air drop on my first wave where I thought I was for sure going to die, stepping down super hard on my tail the whole time I was free falling to not nose dive and when I hit the bottom I landed so hard I thought for sure I was going to snap my board but it held together fine and I was able to bottom turn out the last 3 feet of the wave to make it out onto the face. Anyone having any doubt about FW durability should just think about this. I, a 165-170 pound 18 year old free fell a height of 7 feet roughly and landed super hard on the board without it blowing up underneath me. Guarantee if I was on a PU I would be picking fiberglass out of my ankles

I proceeded to drop in on massive bombs all night and even got a massive inside cover up.

Sure you aren't supposed to ride big waves on small boards and sure you might be taking off a little deeper than everyone else but it makes the ride a hell of a lot more exhilirating!

Thanks again to everyone at FW for making such an amazing board that generates so much stoke, its been almost 2 months now since I got my HF but I still am as amped as I was when I first put my hands on it.

Cheers from Santa Teresa Costa Rica!

bumper

So chito, I guess it's safe to say the hellfire can handle overhead waves?

Chito

Ohh yea, without a doubt. I find the board works best in about the 4-7 foot range. Really comes to life.

bumper

Can't wait to get mine. Thanks for your info it sure did help me in my decision. Don't think im good Enough to take it out in 10 foot surf. Just want it when it's head to overhead. I have a nice step up for 8 ft plus. Keep sending out those reviews. Much appreciated. Love to see some video of u ripping it up.

Chito

No problem! let me know how it goes!

iggy

Just got my hellfire 6'0" FST 2 days ago.
First off the bat I admit I should have gone fpr the 5'10" despite the lesser volume.
Got it at 7pm, went home, padded, waxed and off for some test driving, finished my session at 9:30pm with a beer amongst friends.
Like the board alot, I can see this board going bananas on some good waves, and for that I think the 6'0" is a good choice.
The deep double concave makes it go rail to rail on a blink, very responsive fast board. Had it set as a thruster with a set of solus and it deals pretty well with speed.
Is the new batch of boards (valvless) glassed heavier than before?. It feels a bit stiffer ( in a good way) and a bit heavier .
For somebody who likes the spit/dom they will love the hellfire.
Good job!!

sunny

Got the same board 6.0 fst . First thoughts were this is a big board but it doesnt feel like that surfing it at all, was thinking same thing about weight of board but put it down to extra glass around tail of board? Only surfed the board once and thought it was crap, wouldn't recommend this board to any one just incase they find out how GOOD they are? Great board keep up the good work!

Chito

South swell moved in on monday night and is still going strong. Been surfing double overhead right hand point break perfection since monday night on my 5'8 Hellfire.

Its wednesday night now and after having tallied up all the hours, including my sessions tomorrow morning I will have surfed 25+ hours and I feel like my surfing in the past few days has improved by about a million times.

When you get a Hellfire in perfect surf. Oh. My. God.

The point Ive been surfing isnt hollow or anything just 400 yards of bowly sections perfect to hit the lip and do massive turns and things and just practice everything, cant be happier with the board right now. Landed my first Air reverse today and I pulled the gnarliest Layback I have ever done yesterday. So amped.

Been waking up at 4 in the morning, driving to the break, building a little fire, making coffee and eating granola, always in the water before 5 am, such magical sessions at that hour.

Also have to let everyone know the magic fin set up I found. H3-Nexus front fins with small back fins, about half the size of the H3's. Im using some stock Resin8 quad fins but I would say the most similar FCS ones out there are maybe the K2.1 quad trailers since they have the same flat foil, they might be a bit bigger than the ones I use but either way this setup goes insane. Super fast, can go square off the bottom and straight up into the lip, can boost and everything, would really recomment trying this setup out if you can. its amazing.

Thanks again to everyone at FW for making such an amazing board, soooooo stoked.

YEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

iggy

:):):):):)

Chito

Surfed My 5'8 today in knee to stomach high howling offshore, super peaky. really hollow little beach break. Occasional shoulder high set. SO much fun, was running the K3 thruster setup which I find to be the best for punchy waves and worked alot on my punting. Getting in the air On this thing is so easy compared to my Flexfire its crazy, can get my tail above the lip and huck myself out into the flats way easier than before.

Still working on landing my punts though, landed 3 so far all of which have been on the Hellfire!!!

I can't seem to have a bad session on this board but Im really looking forward to getting my hands on a SP for those really walled up, suuuper mushy high tide sessions at the beach break down here. Often times I find sitting there mind surfing all the walls going on a SP.

Super stoked like always, hoping everone on Hellfire's everywhere is loving theirs as much as I am!

Erwin

Hahahaha you crack me up Chito. Love your story's and your stoke. Keep rocking !!

Having a blast on my HF here as well. The rest of the quiver just looks good in the house.

The wife already telling me to sell all the other stuff.

Me and my buddy are joking in the line up about my HF...... gonna drive the bi .. $%^... ch till the wheels fall off....... And then taking off in some closed out sandpit. This thing can handle it's load of punishment. Better than me ! hahahahaha

Love this thing....

chris

great stuff everyone. appreciate the stoked and good words!! keep ripping and lets see some pics!!!

Cheers

prjwebb

Bit of a random one, but the FST Hellfire pictured on the website, and a some dealers websites has the Rapidfire logo on the bottom rather than the FST. Just thought I'd give you a heads up incase you wanted to sort it out.

chris

Good find! Passed it on to our web manager!

thanks

prjwebb

No worries!

pukey

Hey Chris

Just demo the 6'2 HF this moring and it felt like it picked up waves easier then my Futura. My mate belives its because of the bottom shape as it splits the water making it move easier like the hull of a boat???????? anyway has anyone else found it paddles onto waves super easily and fast. Great board had heaps fun, surfed it on 3-6ft beachies not super powerful and the board went great. Finally eyed off a Sub scorcher yesterday and it looks the goods to espically the raised tail and the fins bought forward. Honestly what will be a better 2-6ft all rounder the Sub-scorcher or the Hellfire. I wanted to get both but bought a SP so need to match that. Futura is almost dead need to replace it with something new. Can only carry two boards at a time, good for the wallet bad for surfing.

thanks chris

chris

Hey pukey,

man that is a real tough call. both boards are really well suited for similar conditions, so I think the best advice I can give you is to go with the shape that better. I know it sounds overly simple, but trust your gut. whichever speaks to you because they both are going to rip. I might look at the sub scorcher as a bit tighter, more pocket hugging, while the hellfire might just be a bit smoother and surf with rounder, more continuous arcs if that helps.

Subtle differences though.

Cheers

Chris

Chito

Hey guys, The daily surf report got a little bit of footage of me. Granted it isnt the best but its something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy6zF0VIhqc

I catch the wave at 33 seconds where I come out of the barrel and do a turn, It was a meh turn. threw alot of spray though.

than it show me eating shit at 1:00

and than it shows me pulling in at 1: 15 but the tube was too tiny and I didnt exactly fit haha

Whenever I get some more footage I'll put it on here

cheers!

corepersonaltraining

good stuff chito...looks like a lot of fun over there...!!...biiiiiig and epic here at the moment....thick ledges and reefs and points....should hold through till mid week too...yeeeeew....although i'm enjoying heavy stuff less as i age...need to start riding guns again...!!

Chito

Yea I had an epic session on my hellfire tonight, when everyone else didnt seem to be having any fun I was having a blast, huge roundhouses, did a couple of big carves, punted a little air and even got a barrel in the midst of it all! If I would of had a cam on me tonight would of been stoked!

Lots of swell on its way so hopefully we get some big barrels soon!

spjones123

Does anyone have a Stealth and a Hellfire? Are they too similar to each other? I have a 5'4 Sweet Potato, a 5'10 Dominator and a 6'0 Stealth. The 5'10 Dominator is too much float and I want to add something between the Sweet P and the Stealth for when it's smallish but too beach break dumpy for the Sweet P. Just dropping to a 5'8 Dominator doesn't do me any good because it's the same volume as the Stealth. So it's either a modified Dom (5'10 but less width) or the Hellfire. All thoughts appreciated.

Chito

Spjones123.

If the waves you plan on surfing are dumpy little breach break, even at its smallest as long as its got some punch the Hellfire will go great.

I surfed my hellfire one afternoon last week where it was like waist High maybe but really sucky and powerful. Had the quad setup in the board and it went great. Was able to get tons of speed out of the smallest little waves.

If the waves are kinda weak though I wouldn't reccomend the hellfire for surf that small.

Also dont forget that volume is the only factor that determines how a board goes in weak surf. Even though the 5'8 dom might have the same volume as the stealth the wider outline will paddle better and get you in to waves earlier and will probably also get going easier and faster than your stealth. I would say if you have a chance to Demo one do it and that will deff help you in your decision. If you cant demo one and I were in your shoes I would personally go for a modified 5'8 over a modified 5'10. Beef up the thickness and tail width of the 5'8 a bit and there you go!

Hope this helps a bit

chris

Yeah chito stoked!!!

love it!

Chito

Bailed super hard on my Bike last week. Its rainy season down here and I was going to the store to get some Ice Tea and when I went to ride over what appeared to be a little water flow across the road It turned out to be about a foot deep pothole and my front tire came to a dead stop. Got catapulted over the handlebars and flew a good 10-15 feet, skidded on my hands and ripped them to shreds, landed with my left arm all tweaked backwards and underneath me, got some good road rash on my knees and ankle. Thought I broke my arm cuz I couldn't move it and once I managed to it hurt so much when trying to push myself up, all this while some dude who had seen the whole thing go down was honking at me to get out of the middle of the road so he could pass! I guess I have to pay for all the good surf I get with bad roads and ignorant people!

anyways I had been out of the water for a bit just popping Ibuprofen and Icing my shoulder since it feels like I pulled some ligaments, I got some Acupuncture done and it feels alot better so last night I went for the first surf in a while.

Waves sucked, super high tide and really all over the place. It was really glassy and offshore but the constant storms right now never gave it a chance to clean up, so I threw the quad setup in but since I dont have my H3's anymore since a dumb tourist from Detroit dropped in on me the other day because he thought I wasn't going to make the section and when I pulled in I saw him go up to the top so I figured he was going to kick out and right when I started to pump out of the barrel at the last second he ends up doing a cutback and heading right back at me. ran over his board, snapped one of the side fins off at the tab. the other one's leading edge got all dented to hell. couldn't get the bastard to pay for them but I figure the fact that he has to go back to sucking in gas fumes and sit in cold weather for a while will be punishment enough, along with the fact that when I saw him the next day I stuffed him on absolutely every wave he got. told him that each wave was $1 and since the fins cost me $145 I was gonna snake him 145 times until we were even, he got out of the water before the number was reached!.

Anyways! sorry for that diversion. I put in the K3 side fins with my regular back fins and it went great!! tons of speed off the bottom even in really mushy waves, felt great through roundhouses and in the barrels on the inside but unfortunately right when I started to get back in the groove of my surfing after having been out of the water for a bit I decided to go big on the closeout section by doing a layback, stuck it with ease and transitioned it into a roundhouse back to the foam ball behind me and attempted to do a 360 off the foam into the flats but I guess my trackpad didn't like getting pushed so hard through the layback and the whole tail kick decided to rip off!! so now I have to dish out some $$ for a new one. everything just seems to get better and better.

Hope my grief give someone some stoke!

prjwebb

I'd still trade places with you any day Chito! Hope you make a speedy recovery. Funny about the $1 snaking haha!

Chito

AND now to add to this recent string of failure I just broke one of the Fin boxes in my Hellfire tonight! YAY!.

Went over the falls on an inside mutant drainer right after I had gone up to hit the lip. Bottom dropped out from under me and the board started spinning around. Landed with my ass on the fins, thank god none of them went in! but the front left side fin box broke the glass and got tweaked out. so for now Im back on the Flexfire. Could be worse but Im still super bummed that the first ever ding to the board after having surfed it in really extreme conditions happen to be on a super blown out, 2-4 foot day at max high tide. cant wait to get it fixed so I can get back on it. Gonna make sure It dries really good but I doubt it has much water in it because I basically wiped out in the shore pound and was out of the water immediately after.

should of just stayed in bed today.

iggy

Man you'll need to go to get a spiritual cleansing or something. ;););)

Chito

Quick question. Im pretty sure I know the answer but never hurts to ask. You think once I fix the plug. take out the new one. buy a new FCS fusion plug, put it in and glass over it. will it affect the performance of the board at all? since now the weight of the thing wont be even since one side will have all the added glass.

I think it will be fine but reassurance always feels good!

prjwebb

I think as long as you get the alignment of the plug spot on you won't notice a difference in performance. There shouldn't be too much added weight.

iggy

Agreed, the alignment is key here. The waight will not be that much a factor. Just make sure before anythimg that the board is COMPLETELY dry, specialy in this case since the fin box area is subjected to a lot of stress. You want to have good anchorage.
The few times I've had problems with fin plugs I've always brought them to my repair guy, finplugs are delicate things to repair.

chris

yeah chito I agree with these guys. If you make sure to set the angle properly and give the board time to dry, its a non issue. It will come out great. I have actually repaired two fin boxes on two of my boards and had no performance change whatsoever!!

Cheers and good luck.

Canadianboy

Guys, just ordered my 6'4", my bro Chito has the 5'8" and my Dad is going to get the 7'0". It will be a family affair, all three of us surfing Hellfires in Costa Rica. We will for sure get some great pics and shit. Firewire Family time incoming!!!

iggy

Niiiice!!!, post those!!

Canadianboy

Guys, this will be my FIRST EVER BRAND NEW BOARD, EVER!!! I AM SO DAMN PUMPED. Even though I won't get to surf until November, I am stoked. I may get some surf up in BC, but not the same surfing in a 5mm fullsuit.

corepersonaltraining

yeeeeeeew....first new board stoke........when your an old codger it will be hanging proudly on yer wall..probably yellow, dented and dusty, but you'll sit in yer rocker, dribbling into yer granny rug, stare at it and feel like a grommet all over again....!!!... enjoy mate... :P

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6 foot...85-90kg...30+ years surfing . . . FLEXFIRE 6'2 x 18 3/4 x 2 1/2 and others (mostly nev's)