Board looks sick Prj.  Youre gonna love it.  I ride mine in all kinds of surf.  Works great in the mussy stuff, but Ive had it in 4-6ft steep Hatteras walls and it flew.  My Alt hasnt touched water in 2 months.

Ha, no inside connections, I'm just observant!

hey prjwebb, I hate to hijack your thread but how do you like your custom Taj?

It hasn't arrived yet, I'll be sure to let you know once I get to try it though. Looking forward to it!

peel that pad band push it back and get some JW1s....

I've actually got some JW1s on the way!

on that particular board, i would have the edge of the kick right on the plug....

Yeah, I think that'd be the ticket. I'll try and find a discounted pad online. Don't really like that pad much anyway. Getting them off sucks though.

yeah it just a takes a little while though and the orange cleaner works wonders...

Its my birthday in just over a week. I've got a pad on the way for a certain other board, maybe I'll ask someone else for another or pool some money and use that for one.
I always struggle choosing a pad though. So many choices but so few that I really like.
You guys should get some made up with the FW logo on. That'd look sick but obviously waaaay down the priority list.

ha not sure if we'll ever go that route....

Nah, it's all about the boards!

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Welcome back.
Just an update to say this board has been blowing my mind. Waves have been pumping here so I've only had it out in head high plus or way overhead conditions. I've been pleasantly surprised with how well it handles late drops, only pearled once on a full low tide drainer.
The performance of this thing on a solid wall when you're going fast is amazing. You can push it hard in turns and it holds perfectly, but because it's so stubby you can whip it round fast and release the tail real easy.
I'm looking forward to getting out in some fun shoulder high lines because I can see this board being so much fun.
The description on the site is spot on, stubby board but still carves like a shortboard.
So stoked on this one!

Has anyone ridden this board and the dumpster diver
Just curious as to how they compare
I found the dumpster to be very slow in gaining that down the line speed but easy for top turns
Haven't ridden the sub scorcher
Could very well be an option

I've ridden both. The Dumpster Diver was 5'7" 19.25" x 2.31" and my Sub is 5'8" x 19.25" a 2.31" so just and inch difference in length. I only had a few waves on my mates dumpster but performance wise, there's no comparison. The DD felt like it only really worked in the pocket to me, and as soon as you got out on the face it felt slow and sluggish. The SR carries speed out onto the shoulder and performs equally well anywhere on the wave. The DD I rode felt very slightly too small for me, whereas the SR feels perfect, so that could well play the part. But I honest couldn't see what all the hype in the DD was, It felt pretty average to me. Could be because it was PU and I'm used to FST and RF now.

Hey PRJWEBB how does it compare to the Spit? when riding in small and larger surf, clean & mushy?

I agree there Prjwebb I think the Dumpster is overrated
If the Sub Scorcher is anything like it I would definitely steer clear
Each to their own though Some people love it and think the DD is amazing etc etc
I found the DD really lacked drive
How does the Sub compare to the Hellfire

Ireland, I'm not gonna lie, I love the Spitfire but I always felt a little over volumed on it with a little too much foam in the rails and unless the waves were smaller and weaker I couldn't really turn it hard like a shortboard. I think the 5'6" would have improved that for me, but with me being 6'0" it'd probably be too short in the rail. Still the Spitfire has been the most fun board I've ridden in 10 years of surfing because it was fast, loose and most of all, easy to surf!

What size would you recommend
As a guide I have the 5'10 hellfire am 81kg and surf regularly
I'm not sure if I'm game to go less volume than the 5'10 hell
Also should I wait for the new 2012 models to arrive before updating the quiver

I'd ride it the same size as the Hellfire, I think they are about the same volume. I'm not sure how much they'd overlap though. The Sub is a little narrower than the HF, but the Hellfire is kind of looked on as a more shortboard replacement shape and the Sub as a more small wave performance board so I guess there's room in a quiver for both.

I don't think it would replace a gap in the quiver but its more a search for the magic board
I've had good ones but not many magics
I know it's out there somewhere

Felt pretty special on some waves I had last week I've got to say!

Used to think that a two board quiver would be perfect... well, I still do... as it is easy to bring every board with you when going for a surf and easy to travel with... Now I'm going for a tree board solution, just waiting for the boards to get here..... but I'm already planning the "perfect" four board quiver... It never ends....

The day I feel the need to replace my 6'2 alternator with something else for the big/good days... I think a hellfire or a Sub Scorcher would be a great board to fill the gap between the hybrid and step-up. the SS definitely look great!

I you had a Sweet Potato instead of the Spitfire to cover the small and mushy stuff, do you think the SS would fill the gap between the SP and Taj ? I would've gone for the 5'10 though, a little more volume to work better in the average stuff.

Yeah, SP - SR - Taj and a 6'6" FE step up would be a solid quiver that wouldn't really leave any gaps. I hardly need the step up either because once it gets double overhead I'm out of my comfort zone and the waves here don't really hold it, and anything head and a half or below here doesn't need extra paddle power to get into live you might in WA or Indo dredgers.

I would be curious to hear if anyone has ridden both the Sub S and the hellfire
To me the hellfire is a good board but I feel it only comes alive with a bit of power in the wave
I'm only guessing but I think the SS would fill the gap between the sweet potato days and the hellfire days
Waves that are slow and mushy with the odd section
I would have also thought that a bit more volume than the hellfire would be ideal in this model as it would be more of a groveller board

Also do you think you will eventually be able to order a Sub Scorcher as a custom

I don't see the lost models being much of a priority when it comes to the CBD. Never know though.

What about the extra volume for the SS
Do you think it would come in handy if used as a grovel board

It actually paddles real well. Once I get the chance to try it in junk I'll let you know. Waves are too good at the minute haha

Lucky you
Thanks for your help
Was sitting on the fence with this board as I thought it was just firewires version of the Dumpster but after reading your posts I have changed my opinion
Looks like a sick board
Still not sure what size would be best
Hope you get some more waves

In the process of moving the pad back.

Great thread BTW, dogs are fantastic, check out Dogs Decoded, great documentary.

Diggin the board, also looking forward to the Spartan.

Hey, how are the JW1s workin out?

I'm eying the fins yo.

- aurf

Haven't got them yet, will be here next month I think. The guy I'm getting them off is waiting for a box of fins from FCS. He reckons the end of the month.

hey not entirely sure what caused the differences.  

Yeah prj, hows the pooch?

He's growing fast! He's doing good thanks, a pain in the ass sometimes but all good fun! A good little character!

prj, I noticed my fst SP ventless is so far more resilient to dents on the deck compared to previous FW boards it feels like use it as a clubbing device and it wouldnt be any worse for wear, my Dom has lots of little dents on the deck. Maybe its the result of production tweeks.  

Nice pooch prj, here's my dog, she loves the beach great swimmer. 

yeah Ruby!!!

Ha she's classic! Solid looking dog. Mine hasn't swam yet. His legs are so long he can always touch the bottom. Next summer I'll throw him in, it's getting a bit cold now and I don't want to put him off for life!

I'm tempted to try out a 5'8'' Sub scorcher. I'm 6'0'', 150-155 lbs, and ride a 6'1'' F1 in FST and a 5'8'' Spitfire in FST. Living here in central FL the two boards have worked really well... riding the 6'1 in head high plus conditions and the Spitfire in everything head high and below. I'm thinking I should just stick with the Spitfire because it has been a great board but it's pretty floaty for me at 150lbs (I prefer the float of the 6'1'' F1). Would I still get "Spitfire-like" benefits from a 5'8' Sub scorcher here in Central Fl or would the SPitfire still be the more versatile and practical board? Thanks 

Surferireland,

Perhaps our 2 pooches can play?

Mine is a diva so Ruby may be charmed ASAP.

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- aurf

Aurf - nice one, always amazes me how many surfers have dogs - theres some sort of relationship there - 

jhoyjr, i think the sub @ 5'8" would still offer you plenty of float at your weight for smaller days. it definitely doesn't surf junk as well as the spitfire but in average to better waves it's a fantastic board. The Spitfire is great though, definitely room for both in the quiver if you can afford to keep both.

yeah agree with that for sure prj.  

i want a sub driver in fst please :)  that shape looks sweet

what do you guys think the high end wave size the sub scorcher has? the more i read up on it the more i like it! a guy i surf with on occasion rides one and loves it. he rips too..

for those conditions the sub would go mental in my opinion. i've used mine in head and a half long walls, head high hollow beach breaks, waist to chest soft beachies and it's been a lot of fun in everything. On bigger and steeper days you can't quite surf it with the same commitment you might on a shortboard, but pretty close. And on headhigh and below walls it's so much fun. I can't recommend it enough to be honest. very responsive board, fast and lots of fun and for the UK waves I regularly surf it's got that bit extra rocker than the dom etc for dealing with later drops and sucky waves, but not so much that it becomes difficult to surf when conditions aren't great.

yeah thanks prjwebb.. thats what i'm thinking now since being on the ec of usa (long island) the waves don't get that much bigger then head regularly.. usually the good days are like what i rode yesterday in the 3-5 with some plus sets groundswell.. i do have my alt still but haven't used it in years now. but this could be my step up from my dom. for more quality waves.